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Pondering a Wall, and Trying Not to Hit One [Battery Wall in Manhattan Follow-up]
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| December 19, 2005
| PATRICK McGEEHAN
Posted on 12/19/2005 7:34:50 PM PST by Pharmboy
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So, it looks like they will dig it up for display. Excellent.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:34:51 PM PST
by
Pharmboy
To: Pharmboy
I remember seeing a documentary about the Greek subway system that was put in for the Olympics. They ran into historic relics, like, every two feet.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:36:52 PM PST
by
Gordongekko909
(I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
To: indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...
The Washington Family Coat of Arms
Freepmail me to get ON or OFF this RevWar/Colonial History/Gen. Washington ping list
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:38:42 PM PST
by
Pharmboy
(The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
To: Pharmboy
Manhattan was the scene of sveral great revolutionary war battles, valiently fought by our heros of the revolution. Funny to thing of that area with fences, yards and even fields.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:39:33 PM PST
by
Fido969
("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
To: Gordongekko909
I remember seeing a documentary about the Greek subway system that was put in for the Olympics. They ran into historic relics, like, every two feet.
With the development in Northern VA over the last 20 or so years LOTS of Civil War-era relics have been found. Apparently when developers were clearing out the Chantilly/Ox Hill Battlefield (the battle took place during the Union withdrawal following 2nd Manassas) they found human remains ... which resulted in the development being delayed (it's now a strip mall/condo complex with only a few acres of the battlefield left untouched) while an archeological study was done.
Since then there are mostly just rumors of developers finding stuff and quickly finding a way to get rid of it and/or pave the area. Wouldn't want an "inconvienient" find like, say, a dead soldier to get in the way of a development's schedule ...
To: Pharmboy
They should number the stones, remove them and reassemble them somewhere on Wall Street (since that street was named for the wall built by the Dutch for protection from the Native Americans).
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:52:09 PM PST
by
msnimje
(Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
To: Pharmboy
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:02:33 PM PST
by
Bulldaddy
(www.constructionlawblog.net)
To: msnimje
Well, that wasn't a stone wall. And, as a matter of fact, it is thought that the wall was there more to keep the roaming farm animals in than to keep the Indians out (remember: south of the wall Manhattan was surrounded by water, so it would have been very easy for any invader to wade ashore).
Their plan is to try and place it close to where it originally stood (it was likely part of a battery rather than part of the original fort).
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:03:33 PM PST
by
Pharmboy
(The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
To: Pharmboy
I recognize that hole. I used to live down there and last year I walked over or around it quite a few times. It's not far from Castle Clinton (no, not THAT clinton, DeWitt Clinton).
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:03:45 PM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Fido969
Well, the milita (mainly from CT) didn't do too well when the Hessians came into Kips Bay. However, they did do well during The Battle of Harlem Heights a bit later on (Gen. Washington was ecstatic at their showing that day).
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:06:03 PM PST
by
Pharmboy
(The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
To: Cicero
Yup...that's the spot as you describe it.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:07:30 PM PST
by
Pharmboy
(The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
To: Pharmboy
Interesting article. Do hope they will save the wall.
Several of my 9th, 8th, & 7th great grandparents lived
in that area of New Amsterdam in the 1600s & 1700s
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:17:06 PM PST
by
SoCalPol
(Cowards Cut and Run, Marines Never Do)
the earlier topic (of which this is an update), just to make myself semi-useful.
Found: Old Wall in New York, and It's Blocking the Subway
NY Times | December 8, 2005 | PATRICK McGEEHAN
Posted on 12/08/2005 3:09:12 AM PST by Pharmboy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536247/posts
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posted on
12/19/2005 9:56:38 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
To: tanknetter
with re-intro of wolves into the West, ranchers are rumored to have adopted a policy of "shoot..shovel..shutup" in dealing with the nature of wolves vis stock.
A different shoot here, having occurred more than a century ago, contractors in Northern Virginia are apparently good to go and corporately versed with "shovel and shutup"..with a wink-n-node of course. Especially in the Manassas-Centreville area.
As for construction related discoveries, Gub'ment should keep secrets as well as developers...
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posted on
12/20/2005 3:27:50 AM PST
by
Gunny P
(Gunny P)
To: Pharmboy
Hey there! Thanks for the ping to this interesting story. Right off the bat I noticed something:
See the workman's name, Conover?
Well that is an Americanized version of the old NY Dutch name, Von Cowenhoven, which is one of my family names.
So...that is a very appropriate name to read in connection to this story!!
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posted on
12/20/2005 4:52:43 AM PST
by
Molly Pitcher
(We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
To: Molly Pitcher
Yes...you bring up an interesting point about the names. When the English took over New Amsterdam in 1664, many of the descendants of the Dutch and French Walloons who originally settled there in 1626 did indeed Anglicize their names.
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posted on
12/20/2005 5:11:00 AM PST
by
Pharmboy
(The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
To: Cicero
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posted on
12/20/2005 5:16:25 AM PST
by
1rudeboy
To: Pharmboy
Yes, the NY-settling French Walloons are also in my family. Thanks for mentioning them, also. It was just too perfect to see that Conover name with the story!
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posted on
12/20/2005 6:26:47 AM PST
by
Molly Pitcher
(We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
To: Molly Pitcher
You have a great American pedigree!
Most people (even those interested in NYC history) are not aware that the first few years after Niew Amsterdam was settled (1626), the most common language spoken there was...French! More Walloons than Dutch to begin with...it quickly changed to Dutch, but by 1642 there 18 languages spoken on the island.
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posted on
12/20/2005 6:31:48 AM PST
by
Pharmboy
(The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
To: Pharmboy
the most common language spoken there was...French! I'm not sure I knew that. American history is so fascinating, but the colonial period especially so!
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posted on
12/20/2005 7:56:03 AM PST
by
Molly Pitcher
(We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
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