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To: YourAdHere

What domestic spying program? I was aware of a program to spy on international communications which involved US residents, but since it is international it isn't domestic. (More spin, disingenuousness noun and outright lies by the MSM).


16 posted on 12/19/2005 2:24:59 PM PST by KarlInOhio (What is the most obscene gesture to a Democrat? An Iraqi voter showing him a stained finger.)
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How did that word "noun" sneak in? I guess someone must have been using a dictionary to spell disingenuousness.


17 posted on 12/19/2005 2:26:22 PM PST by KarlInOhio (What is the most obscene gesture to a Democrat? An Iraqi voter showing him a stained finger.)
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To: KarlInOhio
I was aware of a program to spy on international communications which involved US residents, but since it is international it isn't domestic.

Where were the wiretaps? Were they in the US? If they were, then they were domestic. The wiretaps were in the US. The spying was domestic. QED.

(More spin, disingenuousness noun and outright lies by the MSM).

The MSM doesn't have to. Plenty of Freepers like you to do their spinning for them.

28 posted on 12/19/2005 2:40:56 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: KarlInOhio; YourAdHere; mnehrling; bert; Baynative; johnny7; Congressman Billybob; MinuteGal
What domestic spying program? I was aware of a program to spy on international communications which involved US residents, but since it is international it isn't domestic. (More spin, disingenuousness noun and outright lies by the MSM).

Found this little piece moments ago. Seems to apply .....

From:

http://www.slate.com/id/117041/

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In time, Congress grew concerned about the FBI's power, and after Prohibition's repeal it outlawed all non-consensual wiretapping (but not bugging) as part of the 1934 Communications Act. In 1939, the Supreme Court upheld that law, ruling that since taps were illegal, evidence obtained from using them was inadmissible in court.

Even so, executive officials kept using wiretaps. In particular, Franklin Roosevelt sought to carve out a large exception to the statutory ban. In 1940, he wrote his attorney general, Robert Jackson, that while he accepted the court rulings that upheld the 1934 law, he didn't think those prohibitions applied to "grave matters involving the defense of the nation"—an increasingly high priority as world war loomed. On the contrary, Roosevelt ordered Jackson to proceed with the secret use of "listening devices" (taps or bugs) to monitor "persons suspected of subversive activities … including suspected spies."

Concerned about a German "fifth column" in the United States, Roosevelt specified that his order applied to espionage by foreign agents. But when Harry Truman succeeded FDR in 1945, America's enemies list was changing fast. The next year, as the Iron Curtain fell and the Red Scare flared, Truman's attorney general, Tom Clark, expanded FDR's national security order to permit the surveillance of "domestic subversives." Clark and Truman endorsed wiretapping whenever matters of "domestic security" were at stake, allowing taps to be placed on someone simply because he held radical views.

59 posted on 12/19/2005 6:11:10 PM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
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