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Unwarranted Outrage - The Times blew our cover.
National Review Online ^ | December 19, 2005, 8:59 a.m. | James S. Robbins

Posted on 12/19/2005 1:53:38 PM PST by Cinnamon

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To: bigsigh
What is your basic problem, brainstorm?

Namecalling? For what reason? Aren't you cute.

201 posted on 12/19/2005 4:40:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Holdek

Stick around and you'll learn who's serious and there's a lot of information to be considered. It's a real education. There some real constitutional scholars.


202 posted on 12/19/2005 4:40:36 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: MeanWestTexan
Section 1801, (the portion of the statute that defines "United States Person") disagrees with you [holdek].

§ 1801. Definitions ...

(i) "United States person" means a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence (as defined in section 1101 (a)(20) of title 8), an unincorporated association a substantial number of members of which are citizens of the United States or aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence, or a corporation which is incorporated in the United States, but does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section.

50 USC 1801


203 posted on 12/19/2005 4:40:42 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thank you.


204 posted on 12/19/2005 4:41:01 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: gondramB

You're welcome. It was a good story. :)


205 posted on 12/19/2005 4:41:51 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yeah, I should stick to other forms of insults like questioning reading level. I can learn a lot from your subtelty.


206 posted on 12/19/2005 4:42:14 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: Darksheare
Re: Eavesdropping Program Netted Local Man ...

Where is the cite that this wiretap was warrantless?

207 posted on 12/19/2005 4:42:35 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Holdek keep saying it was warrantless.


208 posted on 12/19/2005 4:43:05 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: gondramB

LOL...that's great.


209 posted on 12/19/2005 4:43:33 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Cboldt

Very first sentence of the article also says:
" The government spied on him and hundreds of other Americans without warrants. "


210 posted on 12/19/2005 4:43:42 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Cboldt

And correction, Holdek says it was illegal.


211 posted on 12/19/2005 4:44:00 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: bigsigh
Yeah, I should stick to other forms of insults like questioning reading level.

I asked how you read FISA. You come on the thread trashing people in defense of a troll. And then name call. I Ddid not call you names. I asked " Just wondering about your reading skills on FISA." The troll can't seem to read law.

212 posted on 12/19/2005 4:46:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I was trasshing the idiots who didn't realize there was a serious exchange going on. Why don't you spend some time correcting the people who critized your "troll" for leaving when he hadn't left.


213 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:15 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh

How serious can the exchange be when the guy is purposefully ignoring law cited to him.


214 posted on 12/19/2005 4:49:14 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Yes, and this is the problem. I have no doubt that the Attorney General made the certifications. But if he said under oath that "there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party;" and there is proof otherwise (and there seems to be, according to sources at the New York Times) then that is illegal. If they are not doing anything illegal, they can just come out and say "there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party;" But if the New York Times is able to find out that hundres of American citizens have been spied on without a warrant, then there is cause for concern, and we'll need hearings (even if they are secret) by Congress to get to the bottom of this.


215 posted on 12/19/2005 4:50:34 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Darksheare
Very first sentence of the article also says:
" The government spied on him and hundreds of other Americans without warrants. "

"Duh" on my part. Similar comment later on in the article too. Contemporaneous accounts of the bust refer to interception of communications, and the perp plead guilty, so the admissibility of this evidence was never tested.

216 posted on 12/19/2005 4:51:32 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Holdek
"there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party"

Eavesdropping Program Netted Local Man

217 posted on 12/19/2005 4:52:19 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Holdek
That is because citizens of the United States have not been spied on before (at least to our knowledge) in a legal context.

Boy talk about no knowledge of the past, you're now really showing your ignorance....ck out the yrs of the 'toons' administration...we were all listened to/spied on by those thugs.

218 posted on 12/19/2005 4:52:35 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Cboldt

Don't worry about it.
There was the attack on that mall thwarted by eavesdropping, but I only found the article that says it was thwarted, but not how or why.


219 posted on 12/19/2005 4:53:51 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Darksheare

When adults are having a serious discussion one of the issues is to see how someone will respond when confronted with "evidence" and to watch the responses. An interested reader can also learn something by reading both sides. Either you are blessed with omniscience or you're just a disrupter. If it's the former, then be quiet while us lesser beings learn. If its the latter and you don't understand what was going on, then have fun with your cats and lightening bolts.


220 posted on 12/19/2005 4:54:50 PM PST by bigsigh
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