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To: mhking

Maybe the good Congressman should figure out that the legislation that guides wiretaps specifically states that US citizens can be wiretapped without FISA warrants if that citizens if in contact with an enemy of the United Stats.

This is the appropriate legislation:

Posted by Peach to Alter Kaker
On News/Activism 12/19/2005 4:41:01 PM EST · 60 of 63


Does everything have to be in the Constitution and legislation doesn't apply to anything in your worldview?

This is the legislation that pertains to US citizens who correspond with foreign enemies:

Return to section 1801, subsection (i): "United States person," which includes citizens, legal aliens, and businesses, explicitly "does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power."

Well sure, but does that mean that even if you are a citizen you cash in your abovementioned rights by collaborating with terrorists? Yes you do. You have then become an "Agent of a foreign power" as defined under subsection (b)(2)(C). Such agents include anyone who "knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power," and even includes those who aid and abet or knowingly conspire with those engaged in such behavior.

Wait, that includes anyone, even citizens? Yes — subsection (b)(1) is the part that applies to foreigners; (b)(2) covers everybody. And the whole point of the act is to collect "foreign intelligence information," which is defined under section 1801 subsection (e)(1)(B) as "information that relates to, and if concerning a United States person is necessary to, the ability of the United States to protect against sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power."



23 posted on 12/19/2005 1:57:57 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Let me re-do that legislation:

to section 1801, subsection (i): "United States person," which includes citizens, legal aliens, and businesses, explicitly "does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power."

Well sure, but does that mean that even if you are a citizen you cash in your abovementioned rights by collaborating with terrorists? Yes you do. You have then become an "Agent of a foreign power" as defined under subsection (b)(2)(C). Such agents include anyone who "knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power," and even includes those who aid and abet or knowingly conspire with those engaged in such behavior.

Wait, that includes anyone, even citizens? Yes — subsection (b)(1) is the part that applies to foreigners; (b)(2) covers everybody. And the whole point of the act is to collect "foreign intelligence information," which is defined under section 1801 subsection (e)(1)(B) as "information that relates to, and if concerning a United States person is necessary to, the ability of the United States to protect against sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power."



26 posted on 12/19/2005 1:58:53 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
On how many threads have you now posted the opinion that the 'agents of a foreign power' clause completely guts the rest of the statute?

Well, since you seem to be the foremost promulgater of that view, can you tell me where the terms 'corporation' and 'association' are defined to include individual US citizens?

47 posted on 12/19/2005 2:26:11 PM PST by lugsoul ("Try not to be sad." - Laura Bush)
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