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To: slowhand520

And for the leftists who are lying and say that the legislation does not permit wiretapping of US citizens, this is the pertinent language that DOES permit wiretapping US citizens if they are in communication with foreign enemies (like Al Qaeda).

Return to section 1801, subsection (i): "United States person," which includes citizens, legal aliens, and businesses, explicitly "does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power."

Well sure, but does that mean that even if you are a citizen you cash in your abovementioned rights by collaborating with terrorists? Yes you do. You have then become an "Agent of a foreign power" as defined under subsection (b)(2)(C). Such agents include anyone who "knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power," and even includes those who aid and abet or knowingly conspire with those engaged in such behavior.

Wait, that includes anyone, even citizens? Yes — subsection (b)(1) is the part that applies to foreigners; (b)(2) covers everybody. And the whole point of the act is to collect "foreign intelligence information," which is defined under section 1801 subsection (e)(1)(B) as "information that relates to, and if concerning a United States person is necessary to, the ability of the United States to protect against sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power."



13 posted on 12/19/2005 1:52:47 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach; slowhand520
Also see 50 USC 1802 which is more relevant.

It defines the process by which the President was allowed to do what he did. The Administration can easily prove the dates, times, and attendees of these briefings even if they can't disclose the contents of the briefings.

He must brief Congress but is not required to get their permission.

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34 posted on 12/19/2005 2:02:03 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Peach

Peach, can the "Gorelick Wall" be removed after the Patriot Act is null and void? Seems she was appointed to keep intelligence from flowing from one intellegence agency to another. The Gorelick Wall removed any and all avenues whereby the pertinent agencies can exchange information and connect the dots.


60 posted on 12/19/2005 2:53:35 PM PST by tillacum (MERRY CHIRISTMAS ONE AND ALL. BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST, TEACHER.)
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