Posted on 12/19/2005 8:51:45 AM PST by Fedora
You bet it has, still is too.
Guess I find that part the most disheartening of all, FGS.
Considering the old adage of what constitutes a mental illness, the "track record" of swallowing the same shtick for all those years doesn't speak well of the human species.
"With few notable recent exceptions their attack have gone unchallanged."
Well the fight has been one of David v.s. Goliath, so the results aren't so unusual.
Thing is the brainstems behind the Slimes have been taking more & more pebbles to their empty leftist noggins from the slings of li'l people (like us) for so long they're getting *punchy*, starting to wobble & could drop at any time.
Really.
Just take that *one* to fall 'em like an old oak tree, alright. ;^)
"One just HAS to wonder what part the internet generally and FR in particular has played in their downward spiral."
No idea about the Internet's impact, per se; although, I'd say there's been some even if unmeasurable.
As for this joint in particular though?
I've a notion it's at best been negligible, FGS.
Great place to come share thought(s) with those supposedly embracing common ideals, granted.
Even so there's also a fair amount of "egos" penultimately creating cliques which in turn ultimately causes "balkanization".
So how much "constructive" action comes of "destructive" behavior(s) I'll leave up to you to say.
We must recognize that although the American citizen has fallen (enmasse at times) for the -- albeit usually well disguised -- Liberal-Socilaist-Communist line for so very long?
More & more they've been awakened to the truth, too.
Always has a close balance then been maintained, always.
We all see the *result* of that awakening every day, in some way.
That's why throughout the darkest hours personally ( :o) ) I may have bitched up a storm about the suckers. But just the same never lost my faith it'd work out in the end, either.
And I know you haven't wavered yourself, my friend.
"BTW, does "The Beast" still want to control/license/censor the internet and forums like FR? Says a bunch all by itself don't it???"
Sure it does, volumes.
But then a thirst for freedom will *pop-up* in some other form, "new" venue or technology, too.
Can't be stopped, y'know.
>Nothing else will work for ending the flow of Liberal-Socialist-Communist crap in a free market society, like ours...quite like bankruptcy.
"Heh. It would put 'em in a, uh, pinch wouldn't it?"
Yea, it would. {g}
"May their demise at the hands of 'We the People' happen while market forces still (more or less)work."
It will, it is. ;^)
I've been thinking about NYSlimes stock, the downward trend its taken over the past several years.
Wondered about the effect all those awakening people have had on the NYSlimes as a corporate entity, and, how those running the outfit are such hard-wired liars?
Methinks a full-blown *&* covert investigation into the real circulation numbers of the NYSlimes could very well reveal the kind of scandal that's be the proverbial stake through the heart of this monster, FGS.
I'm talking about an investigation far and away eclipsing the most recent one which appeared to have dried-up for reason or reason(s) unknown, too.
What I'm thinking about would take New York insiders to pull off though.
Of special help the disgruntled NYSlimes employee(s) who've an ax to grind?
Perhaps recruited from among those who've been terminated as the direct result of *pinche's* bullshit politics? :o)
Of course fundemental to any such effort would be a "conspiracy" of two or more of the NYSlimes' rivals necessary to grease, advise & direct the way.
Making damned sure whatever the "truthS" behind the NYSlimes' plummeting circ numbers be splashed across the front page of everything, printed for however long it took to bring the Gray Harlot to her knees, forevermore.
And you *know* how modern day journalists just *love* "augmenting" stories, too.
What's good for the goose, it's said, is good for the Liberal-Socialist-Communist gander.
~eh? ;^)
Think the NYSlimes has any rivals who'd relish seeing the old bag implode of it's own deceit, FGS/Fedora?
...is the Pope Catholic? ;^)
I was hoping the New York Post might. . .
Regarding your other post, yes, it's evident an agenda has been handed down, and those handing it down have been careful to conceal this from public awareness. Hopefully the Internet will afford the opportunity to do an end-run on this wall of censorship by those media forces who supposedly favor freedom of speech (as long as the speaker has been approved by the MSM--some free speech is more equal than others. . .).
I will add you to the ping list for any follow-up I do on this topic. The present article focused on the period up to about the mid-70s; I'm working on something that would fill in the period from then to today and round out the picture.
Troubling ain't it? The "gist" of the BOR and our Constitution speaks directly to the foibles of Man do they not? Those old white guys knew a little about human nature and the inherent weaknesses and soft spots. Conversely, those that would be our handlers also know exactly what buttons to push and switches to flip. They are also students of the human condition.
As for this joint in particular though? I've a notion it's at best been negligible...
Hard to argue the point either way of course, BUT you gotta admit FR has probably been the single loudest voice on the web re MSM shenanigans. AIM, MRC and others have contributed along with FoxNews, but their contributions have been of a different nature than FR. WE were/are the "street" fighters, if you will. We take what we've read and learned on FR to work, golf course, church, school; you name it. By the hundreds of thousands possibly! It's only a hunch, but I think FR has made a difference. Add to this mix the recent explosion of (mostly conservative?)blogs???
Of special help the disgruntled NYSlimes employee(s) who've an ax to grind?
Good point. We can hope that the allure of big buck$ might yield another Bernie Goldberg clone from the NYT. Surely there are a few that can actually think and write coherently on their own, eh? Any bets there were some "agreements" signed along with severence packages that might preclude any such Goldberg wannabe activities??? "So don't say nasty things about us or we'll sue the pants off you!" sorta thing? Wouldn't put it past 'em.
Think the NYSlimes has any rivals who'd relish seeing the old bag implode of it's own deceit...
I'm betting on it, but until such time as it may become obvious the Old Grey Whore is done for, few will pile on. A cautionary reaction in the unlikely event the NYT were to experience a resurrection. I also suspect there are many nervous nellies out there that see their leader in uncharted waters and are sweating bullets for fear they could lose their mentor. And through all this, how will the crAP fare? I mean, their benefactor(s) are all in heap big trouble. A reduced reach from the crAP would be a nice bonus, no?
FGS
Yup.
But only when I *dwell* on it, my friend. {g}
"The "gist" of the BOR and our Constitution speaks directly to the foibles of Man do they not? Those old [dead :o) ] white guys knew a little about human nature and the inherent weaknesses and soft spots."
The source of my faith lies totally in those old boyz, their forethought.
"Conversely, those that would be our handlers also know exactly what buttons to push and switches to flip. They are also students of the human condition."
Yea, they do.
Been saying for quite some time our side needs to become much more educated in the fields of psychology & marketing.
Then maybe, just maybe we will be in some position to counter the Liberal-Socialist-Communist bilge.
"Reason" sure & the hell hasn't worked, has it.
>As for this joint in particular though? I've a notion it's at best been negligible...
"Hard to argue the point either way of course, BUT you gotta admit FR has probably been the single loudest voice on the web re MSM shenanigans."
Yes FR has, and I didn't mean to sound so harsh.
Just that I *think* Talk Radio has had an impact equal to all others.
FR & like conservative websites, OTOH, have provided the means by which people can more closely examine, articulate & debate the calls TR airs.
Symbiotic, for sure.
>Of special help the disgruntled NYSlimes employee(s) who've an ax to grind?
"Good point. We can hope that the allure of big buck$ might yield another Bernie Goldberg clone from the NYT. Surely there are a few that can actually think and write coherently on their own, eh? Any bets there were some "agreements" signed along with severence packages that might preclude any such Goldberg wannabe activities??? "So don't say nasty things about us or we'll sue the pants off you!" sorta thing? Wouldn't put it past 'em."
*Better* point. ;^)
And you're right, I wouldn't put it past the rascals to have done such a thing either.
Still there's always the "Unnamed sources" to neutralize that bullcocka, too. :o)
>Think the NYSlimes has any rivals who'd relish seeing the old bag implode of it's own deceit...
"I'm betting on it, but until such time as it may become obvious the Old Grey Whore is done for, few will pile on."
Sure.
But let's not discount the power of one, eh?
"And through all this, how will the crAP fare? I mean, their benefactor(s) are all in heap big trouble."
Uh-huh, they are in wampum big kimchee.
Will be intersting following this all play out, huh.
Killing one may kill the whole lot.
"A reduced reach from the crAP would be a nice bonus, no?"
Yea.
...a sight for sore eyes. ;^)
Sheesh! Indeed; how could I fergit El Rushbo(and others). He has been something more than a speed bump to the commies fersher.
BTTT so I don't lose track of it.
Tracking re-bump :-)
BTFP(Back To Front Page) bump
So that's what "BTFP" means, LOL.
Amongst other things I'm sure ;' )
LOL! "Bring The Free Pizza" :-)
Free pizza on the way...
If I am not mistaken, then Schiff was connected to Pyotr Kropotkin. Kropotkin was a charming intellectual who also served as Lenin's fundraiser in America. He was a favorite of the fashionable salons in Manhattan, where he described the "class struggle" to the silk stocking class -- and relieved them of their excess cash.
In other words, Kropotkin was "radical chic" before there was a "radical chic". The pejorative "crackpot" is also said to be derivative of his name.
LOL! :-)
Good work, Fedora!
I hadn't heard about Schiff being connected to Kropotkin, but they would've both been linked to Lenin's contacts in New York, so it sounds possible. Kropotkin's US lecture tour in the late 1890s was managed by Emma Goldman, who was part of the Manhattan salon crowd you mention. During his US visit Kropotkin also lived for a time at Hull House, the Chicago counterpart to the Henry Street Settlement.
I suppose we knew that instinctively but to catalog their malfeasance the way you've done produces a glaring picture of their contempt for what is America. Communism dead? I don't think so.
Regards,
Thanks, LOL. I should probably add a note of clarification, though, to make sure I'm not overstating the case I'm trying to make: what my article restricts itself to stating is (to paraphrase) that Schiff funded both the NYT and the Bolsheviks as well as domestic Marxist groups (well, sort of "domestic", though tied to the Second International in Germany), and that the Times' first two publishers were linked either through sponsorship (in the case of Ochs and the Henry Street Settlement) or sympathy (in the case of the young Sulzberger and the Communists) with akin left-wing groups. This isn't precisely saying the Bolsheviks were running the NYT, but it does raise questions about whether the NYT's historic left-wing bias is rooted in this early fellow-travelling and how deep these early left-wing affiliations went. More research into how the NYT covered events such as the Bolshevik Revolution and Spanish Civil War might be an interesting project.
Communism dead? I don't think so.
My take on this would be that Communism did not die with the fall of the Soviet Union, it just moved its base out of Russia and took on new forms and rejuvenated old forms, such as the Socialist International with its Democratic Socialists of America offshoot in the US, the Green Party in the EU and US, the World Social Forum held in Brazil and other places, etc.
I know; I did that ;' ) It has such a nice ring to it though, it could catch on dontchya think?
One of our other Freepers has an interesting take on the "fall" of the Soviet Union. That is, we were maybe better off with the wall standing to remind us of the stark contrast between communism and capitalism. We don't have the Soviet boogie man to kick around any more; he's gone underground. Out of sight, out of mind???
FGS
Ask Francis Gary Powers family what they think of the NY Slimes. They blew much of his cover on their front page.
It's amazing that the Soviets even bothered with paying for intelligence. All they needed to do was ask the Times to check it out, and the bastards would have.
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