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To: Free Baptist
In fact, there is no designation before the word "church" in any such passage of Scripture.

Of course not. Because there is only one Holy Mother Church. One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. No need to "designate" what is obvious to all and known to all.

448 posted on 12/22/2005 6:23:11 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
"Of course not. Because there is only one Holy Mother Church. One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. No need to "designate" what is obvious to all and known to all."

No, this is obviously not known to all.

"...one Holy Mother Church..."

Not known in Scripture.

"...Catholic..."

Of course this means "universal." The word is not a Bible word. Because your system sees the word used (probably from the Latin root) in historical writings, it manipulates it to mean an earthly system under the headship on one sinning man who rules over one city state, and then a religious system by extension. Is your offense based in the fact that we find that one one sinning, non-vergin-born (I'm sure very nice and very intelligent, the current one being German) man to be fallible? The Bible speaks of things reconciled to God in one (in Christ), whether they be things in earth or things in heaven (Col. 1:20-23). It knows nothing of a system of earthy requirements developed by a human religious system obligatory over the face of the earth.

"Apostolic"

You mean, I take it, as a succession of apostolic authority through one man (the fallible one mentioned above), who has pronounced that not all things in the Bible are true. Only that "apostle" in the city state, and his associates may determine which parts of the Bible are and which parts are not true, I suppose.

I find no example of any apostle in Scripture that would have ever taken to himself such political prestige or would have allowed such heaping up of earthly honor on himself. They would more likely have be found hunting for a jail cell in which to spend the night, or a pot of oil in which to be boiled. Apostles would have been found traveling among local congregations teaching common people to hold on to Christ, the Head.

The one Church in the New Testament that is "Catholic" (meaning universal) is held together by its (the God-made union of every individual who has rested in Christ's Atonement and been given the earnest of the Holy Spirit (Romans; Ephesians) attachment personally to Jesus Christ. It includes those who are in Christ who have already gone to be with Him; includes those who cannot be touched presently by the religious powers of earth. It is not fulfilled in an earthy organization, although it potentially can be typified (pictured) by congregations all over the earth -- any place on earth; congregations of the sons of God who are striving together for the faith of the Gospel.
451 posted on 12/23/2005 5:30:19 AM PST by Free Baptist
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