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Christian 'megapastor' blasts believers on Dec. 25 dispute (defends decision to close)
World Net Daily ^ | December 19, 2005

Posted on 12/19/2005 6:23:54 AM PST by NYer

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To: aimhigh
But where in scripture does it say the sabbath was to be changed from the 7th day to the 1st day?
Where in the New Testament does it say that Christians are subject to the sabbath?

Exodus 20, the 4th commandment, the longest commandment says:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God made the 7th day holy. It's not my task to prove it's still holy to Christians. It's your task to prove from scripture that it is not holy. Where does it say in scripture that it's not holy to Christians?

361 posted on 12/19/2005 8:18:25 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Sybeck1

My brother had an excellent point - these churches claim they're closing on Christmas Day because it's a Family day and noone will be there. My brother noted that for a lot of people, the church is their family! True words of wisdom! I just don't understand closing down a church on a Sunday.....I look forward to the years that Christmas falls on a Sunday....


362 posted on 12/19/2005 8:20:27 PM PST by BamaDi
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To: rwfromkansas
Read the scriptures in the piece. There is not one verse that proves anything. Doctrine isn't always easy.

This particular doctrine is easy. It's the 4th commandment, the 7th day sabbath was created by Christ and for Christ, and Christ kept the sabbath.

Luk 4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
Luk 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

363 posted on 12/19/2005 8:29:18 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: rwfromkansas

Based on how time was reckoned in those days, if you were Jewish it was from sunset to sunset. If you were Gentile then it *may* be midnight (how'd they know when it was midnight anyway?) to midnight but not necessarily.


364 posted on 12/19/2005 8:29:22 PM PST by Hawkeye
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To: BamaDi

Well, I can't really stand arguingn about this any longer, but needless to say, I am glad my church will be open on Sunday. I will be there.

We will be there with our family who are visiting us. I don't understand why one would close a church under the pretense that nobody will be there.

Normally churches are filled with visiters on Christmas...they aren't even close to empty. :)


365 posted on 12/19/2005 8:29:27 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Hawkeye

True. People argue it either way.


366 posted on 12/19/2005 8:30:07 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: NYer

"Jesus is the Reason for the Season"

This is a great sloagan that reminds us why we are buying presents, decorating, listening to old music and filling out greeting cards.

However, in our sermon last Sunday, or priest had a new slogan:

"You are the Reason for the Season. Jesus is the Gift."


367 posted on 12/19/2005 8:31:20 PM PST by kidd
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To: rwfromkansas

Merry Christmas! Hope to see you on other threads! :-D


368 posted on 12/19/2005 8:32:44 PM PST by Hawkeye
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To: Hawkeye

Did Jesus attend Christmas mass when he walked among us?
I ask thee this I do!!!


369 posted on 12/19/2005 8:38:15 PM PST by Treeless Branch
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To: BamaDi
My brother noted that for a lot of people, the church is their family! True words of wisdom!

I completely agree. So does he attend a church that meets on Christmas Day regardless of what day of the week Christmas falls on? As has been discussed ad infinitum Catholics always have mass on Christmas Day while (most if not all) Protestants have Christmas Eve services but no Christmas Day services (if Christmas is on, say, Tuesday). If he or those people whose family is the church don't attend a church that meets on Christmas Day each year regardless of the week then what do they do on Christmas? Just curious. I'll check back tomorrow, gotta hit the hay!

370 posted on 12/19/2005 8:38:55 PM PST by Hawkeye
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To: Treeless Branch
I'd rather know what Jesus' sounded like when He laughed. I'll bet it was one of those contagious laughs.

Another random thought: if Jesus got that tickle in His nose like He was going to sneeze did he (a) put his tongue on the roof of His mouth to *stop* the sneeze or (b) look at some bright object or light to cause the sneeze to happen?

And my final wild thought before hitting the hay. Jesus can wash us whiter than snow. That statement always makes me think about soap. Which has led me to ask: Can soap get dirty? If so, with what do you clean it?

371 posted on 12/19/2005 8:44:56 PM PST by Hawkeye
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To: rwfromkansas
On Saturday Jesus was dead and still laid up in a tomb.

Matthew 28:1, [Now late on Sabbath as it was getting dusk toward first of week came Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.]

Verse 6, [He is not here for he has risen as he said. Come see the place where was lying the Lord.]

This is the original Greek in the Textus Receptus(Received Text)

As you can see by the scripture he arose before sundown on the Sabbath Day. Many translations say something similar like "at the end of the Sabbath" or "Now late on Sabbath" as the Greek says. Other translations, because of theological bias, say something like "After the Sabbath was over" or some other variation.....but the original Greek shows that our Lord was resurrected on the Saturday Sabbath.

372 posted on 12/19/2005 8:49:26 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: P-Marlowe

***Then what were Paul and Peter and the other Jewish Apostles doing in the Synagogues on Saturday? Just visiting?***

Dog gone P-Marlowe! Don't tell us you have fallen for the doctrines of DouglasKC and Diego(some number)!

Meamwhile, I know! I Know! Call on me! oh oh oh!


373 posted on 12/19/2005 9:10:39 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins

The woman I love is in town, so she got priority. :)


374 posted on 12/19/2005 9:15:01 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: DouglasKC

***I agree with this...mostly. But where in scripture does it say the sabbath was to be changed from the 7th day to the 1st day?***

HOT DOG! Can I cut and paste from my rebuttals to your other posts? I get tired of typing the same things over and over, and over!
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1511362/posts


375 posted on 12/19/2005 9:21:46 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Dog gone P-Marlowe! Don't tell us you have fallen for the doctrines of DouglasKC and Diego(some number)!

Don't worry about that. I do not necessarily esteem one day above another. (Gasp). There are the Sunday Sabbath Legalists and the Saturday Sabbath legalists. I suppose I am a heretic in both camps.

For those who must work the weekends, what are we supposed to do with them? Condemn them to hell because they don't come to church on the right day?

For years I went to church on Monday and Thursday nights.

Since clocks and calendars were not corrected for leap years and the slowing of the rotation of the earth, I doubt if anyone knows what day it really is.

376 posted on 12/19/2005 9:42:22 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Hawkeye

My church asked for families to volunteer to have people come and spend Christmas with them. We volunteered, but no on has asked to spend it with us. I don't know of anyone who doesn't have a place to be.


377 posted on 12/19/2005 10:29:38 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: rwfromkansas
Worship is not a meaningless ritual.

Not for the Christian who views it as a way of life and not 45 minutes to an hour on Sundays.

As I stated before, worship both scripturally and historically had little to nothing to do with singing and sitting to hear a man preach. It does have to do with living a life that is pleasing to the Lord and doing everything as unto the Lord.

That, my friend, is worship according to Scripture.

378 posted on 12/19/2005 10:39:53 PM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: rwfromkansas
Because the Sabbath is Sunday, not Saturday.

Uh...there's quite a few people both Protestant and Jewish who would disagree with you.

379 posted on 12/19/2005 10:42:18 PM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: A2J
This whole discussion makes me wonder what those who are adamant that Christians are supposed to "go to 'church'" on Sundays would say if, instead of attending their comfortable services, they would go out into the streets and help the homeless or the poor to have a better Christmas.

Would God be upset? Would those Christians be guilty of sin for not honoring the Sabbath?

380 posted on 12/19/2005 10:46:38 PM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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