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To: jwalsh07

I think that opinoin relates to a more clear foreign source. For example, bugging the KGB residency, or the Chinese embassy, or the phone of a known Stasi agent. When you try to also apply that to US citizens, then it gets a bit more sticky.

Under your argument, if Pres Kerry decided that you were involved withj AQ(and there's nothing to stop him from doing so), he could order your phone to be tapped. Are you ok with a Kerry or Hillary having the same power you're ok with Bush having?

My concern is that there's no review. In what way is the President different from any other Communist ruler who spies on "enemies of the state"?


62 posted on 12/20/2005 11:50:53 AM PST by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25
I think that opinoin relates to a more clear foreign source. For example, bugging the KGB residency, or the Chinese embassy, or the phone of a known Stasi agent. When you try to also apply that to US citizens, then it gets a bit more sticky.

Well, for what it's worth, something is wrong with your thinker. But that's neither here nor there. The purpose of posting that holding was quite simple. I posted it to demonstrate the FACT that the FISA court has held that the Executive has "inherent powers" which the FISA law itself can not abridge. These three judges on the FISC Appeals Court have stated that unequivocally while also acknowledging that the CIC can conduct warrantless surveillance.

Under your argument, if Pres Kerry decided that you were involved withj AQ(and there's nothing to stop him from doing so), he could order your phone to be tapped. Are you ok with a Kerry or Hillary having the same power you're ok with Bush having?

False. If President Kerry has information that I am conversing with Al Qaeda then by all means he should have the same power. I am neither Hillaryphobic nor Kerryphobic as Kerry himself could tell you since he and I had a little tete a tete on a street in Boston one fine evening.

My concern is that there's no review. In what way is the President different from any other Communist ruler who spies on "enemies of the state"?

I don't share your concern. The CIC is elected. Article 2 judges are not. In time of war, I want the elected CIC making these calls, not unelected judges who are not charged with American security.

Since I read down a bit I know you don't believ Congress has declared war. So let's save some time and trouble here. Just post the method enshrined in the Constitution for decalring war. Failing to do that, I'd say you should move on from that nonsense.

89 posted on 12/20/2005 2:58:14 PM PST by jwalsh07
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