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Insurgents 'Using Google Earth'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12-18-2005 | Jasper Copping

Posted on 12/17/2005 5:43:05 PM PST by blam

Insurgents 'using Google Earth'

By Jasper Copping
(Filed: 18/12/2005)

Insurgents could be using satellite images from a popular website to mount attacks on British and American bases in Iraq, defence experts said last night.

Google Earth allows users to zoom in on almost any location in the world to such close range that cars can be recognised. The site even provides latitude and longitude co-ordinates for buildings.

Bill Sweetman, a technological warfare expert with Jane's, the military and intelligence specialist publisher, said the images could enable terrorists in Iraq to pinpoint targets inside military bases.

"Information gleaned from Google Earth can be of use to these people," he said. "They can use overhead images to get co-ordinates for a mortar attack or for a suicide bomber to try to figure out where a building is in the base so they don't get lost on their way in."

The Google Earth website, which uses free software downloaded from the internet, was launched this summer and has attracted a variety of users, from web surfers wanting to see a view of their home from space, to people searching for the hotel nearest the beach. It has also been used to help relief workers to get resources to the scenes of natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina.

But since its launch, allied forces servicemen in Iraq have suspected that terrorists are using it, along with GPS (global positioning system) units - available in the high street for as little as £150 - to carry out attacks on their bases.

In an e-mail recently posted on the internet, a United States marine who has served in Iraq lamented how the rebels were using easily available resources. "Bad guy technology: simple yet effective," he wrote. "They use GPS units for navigation and Google Earth for overhead views of our positions."

Brian Collins, a professor of information systems at Cranfield University, said: "Coalition soldiers will have access to more up-to-date images, but websites like Google Earth give these people [insurgents] the possibility of levelling the playing field a bit. If you can locate a target on the image it will give you very accurate co-ordinates and a terrorist will know exactly where to aim a missile. If you also have a GPS then you know exactly where you are and you can sit there with your PC and look at these very high resolution satellite image and you will know where to fire your missile from and what to fire it at."

The images on the website are not live and are, on average, about 18 months old, but Prof Collins said this would not make them obsolete as an aide for terrorists. "If you were interested in vehicles, then that would be a problem but if you are looking at a fixed installation like a military base then it won't have changed that much."

The Conservative MP James Arbuthnot, who is the chairman of the House of Commons defence select committee, last night promised to look into the claims.

A spokesman for Google said it acquired the images from a number of companies and that the data was already available from these sources directly.

"We takes governmental concerns about Google Earth very seriously and welcome dialogue with governments about any concerns they may have," she added.

"Our technology is used for vital purposes such as fighting forest fires and emergency response.

"We believe that the benefits of access to the information provided by Google Earth for such valuable purposes are greater than any negatives from potential abuse."

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said: "Google Earth is compiled from still images that are already available from both commercial and public sources. The pictures are very dated and do not show any live activity."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: billsweetman; earth; google; insurgents; iraq; using
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1 posted on 12/17/2005 5:43:06 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

there is a solution to this; take out the satellite.


2 posted on 12/17/2005 5:45:45 PM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: blam
Taiwan Huffs And Puffs At Google Earth
3 posted on 12/17/2005 5:46:33 PM PST by blam
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To: Perdogg

Oh yes... that will go over big...
"In today's news, the US military attacked a United States corporations private imaging satellite..."
- plewis1250


4 posted on 12/17/2005 5:47:49 PM PST by plewis1250
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To: plewis1250

F**k the news media. Technical problems do occur.


5 posted on 12/17/2005 5:49:16 PM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Perdogg

Best part of google earth is the topless beaches.


6 posted on 12/17/2005 5:50:29 PM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: blam
zoom in on almost any location in the world to such close range that cars can be recognised

Brand new Ford Fiestas and VW Rabbits on some pictures, no doubt.

7 posted on 12/17/2005 5:50:29 PM PST by anonymous_user (I'm going to wish you a Merry Christmas, but I'm not forcing you to have one.)
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To: Perdogg
"there is a solution to this; take out the satellite."

No, the satellite data, of my house at least, is several years old.

Let's take out the terrorists.

8 posted on 12/17/2005 5:52:33 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam
What a silly, made up story. There is no evidence at all that insurgnets are using google earth. The whole article is about how they "could be" using google earth.

Even the editor new this, since he put quotes around "using google earth".

9 posted on 12/17/2005 5:52:36 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: neodad
Best part of google earth is the topless beaches.

Man you're sick (what are the longitude and latitude?)

10 posted on 12/17/2005 5:53:47 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: plewis1250

yes a US media property that is openly hostile to the White House at that

have to wonder what FDR or Truman would have done


11 posted on 12/17/2005 5:54:09 PM PST by wardaddy (They took most of my Dixie heritage......they'll have to take Christmas from my cold dead hands)
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To: Perdogg; blam
"F**k the news media. Technical problems do occur."
Heh heh heh. Indeed they do. Sad such a great tools such as this are two edge swords. Funny in a way. The Ruskies sold the Iranians a low resolution satelite system people where screaming could be used as a recon sat to target Israel, and all they have to use is the far superior in resolution Google sat. Such is how the world turns.
12 posted on 12/17/2005 5:54:15 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Perdogg
there is a solution to this; take out the satellite.

Hahaha! Good luck with that! In the early days of the Afghanistan invasion the U.S. bought up all the imagery available and had it withheld. That is why now you can get high resolution throughout Afghanistan and can't even get the same resolution in many U.S. state capitols. Same solution would work for Iraq.

13 posted on 12/17/2005 5:54:38 PM PST by FEARED MUTATION
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To: blam

The biggest threat to freedom via google Earth is local gov't and busybodies snooping for that unauthorized treehouse,pool,deck, or "project" car in the back yard.Or too big a TV antenna"why don't you get cable like everyone else and get rid of that unsightly thing on the roof?"


14 posted on 12/17/2005 5:55:52 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: blam

"Google Earth allows users to zoom in on almost any location in the world to such close range that cars can be recognised. The site even provides latitude and longitude co-ordinates for buildings."


That's sretching it. It's that way for some places but the majority is pretty low res.


15 posted on 12/17/2005 5:56:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: blam
Like any technology, Google Earth can be used for good or evil. These satellite images have been around for a while and anybody could purchase them. Google Earth has made them much easier to find and free.

The US government should work out a deal with Google to block out sensitive areas in a war zone, or limit the resolution. That doesn't mean we have to shut down the whole technology. There is a lot of good coming out of it.
16 posted on 12/17/2005 5:57:16 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: blam

I don't know that I buy the "18 month" average. My friend's apartment complex, completed well over two years ago, shows up as a construction site, and I've seen several other locations as well that are well out of date. Also, the resolution isn't the same worldwide - the resolution is high at very low altitudes around major cities, but in rural and foreign areas, the resolution drops significantly. I'd be surprised if Google Earth had any useful information on current U.S. troop sites in Iraq.


17 posted on 12/17/2005 5:57:37 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: Perdogg
there is a solution to this; take out the satellite.

There is no single satellite from which they get these images. There are dozens of satellites from many nations and corporations. They also get much of the more detailed images from photographs taken from aircraft. What Google Earth does is georeference the images (essentially matching an image with its earthly coordinates) and combine them seamlessly so that you can zoom, pan, and tilt without noticing that you're jumping around among many separate images.

18 posted on 12/17/2005 5:57:39 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: blam
Before Google Earth I used a map to find out where I'm going.

I bet the insurgents did too.

I think we should question Rand McNally's motives.
19 posted on 12/17/2005 5:57:54 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: blam

Google Earth is just getting creepy accurate.

20 posted on 12/17/2005 5:59:55 PM PST by martin_fierro (It's NOT all about The O)
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