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Chinese Memorial To 'The Good Nazi' Opens War Wounds
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12-18-2005 | Peter Goff

Posted on 12/17/2005 5:37:00 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 12/17/2005 5:37:02 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

One is known by one's deeds.


2 posted on 12/17/2005 5:42:49 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: Riley

"He and his family lived in abject poverty, surviving on occasional care packages posted to him by the grateful people of Nanjing"

How often that is the fate of those who would do good in this world.
Meanwhile, Arafat stores away billions in Switzerland and gets a Nobel peace price.
(This world loves its own, and judges by the wrong standards.)


3 posted on 12/17/2005 5:57:02 PM PST by CondorFlight
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To: blam

Sounds pretty heroic to me.


4 posted on 12/17/2005 6:02:34 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: blam
Stupid communists.

The ironic thing is that over the next fifty years if japan had maintained control over China and we had not liberated China millions less Chinese people would have died via murder and famine and torture and China would be a lot wealthier and modern today.

I thin we should let Japan at em again.

5 posted on 12/17/2005 6:05:31 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: blam
Beatification of John Rabe a bit much.
6 posted on 12/17/2005 6:06:59 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: blam

Well who knew?, a good Nazi.


7 posted on 12/17/2005 6:11:00 PM PST by jocon307
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To: blam

"The Japanese soldiers "went about raping the women and girls and killing everything and everyone that offered any resistance, attempted to run away from them, or simply happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time," he wrote."

The rape of maintaining was horrible, but the reason the Chinese are reviving its memory now is to stir up fears of a possible Japanese military invasion at this time. This is driven, not by any Japanese desire to invade Japan, but by the need for Chinese leadership to distract the Chinese people from the devastating poverty that many are experiencing as a result of the new changes in China.

The Chinese are driving the Japanese into a stronger military stand by doing things like sending Chinese subs into Japanese territorial water. As the Japanese military posture, gets stronger, the Chinese government will fan these fears in the Chinese people.


8 posted on 12/17/2005 6:19:46 PM PST by strategofr
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To: fieldmarshaldj

John Rabe - Hero File

9 posted on 12/17/2005 6:19:47 PM PST by blam
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To: strategofr

"The rape of maintaining was horrible,"

meant "the rape of Nanking was horrible"


10 posted on 12/17/2005 6:21:31 PM PST by strategofr
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To: strategofr

The Chinese Communist Party is nothing if not expert at the use of the psychological sleight of hand in times of ideological crisis.

They were at their most belligerent in the 50s and 60s when they had a barefoot army with no force projection ability whatsoever. Now, they cry openly about their victimhood while they work around the clock to increase their supply of ballistic missiles and establish a blue water navy.

The idea is to distract the world's attention by inviting discussions on events that took place a lifetime ago. As soon as the Chinese relinquish their control of Tibet (where the actions of their soldiers were not appreciably more honorable than the Japanese in Nanjing, according to Tibetan sources) and apologize profusely for their unjust occupation of Eastern Turkestan and Southern Mongolia, then I will stand with them in their quest to acquire a sincere apology for the Japanese.



11 posted on 12/17/2005 6:52:35 PM PST by American Soldier
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To: blam

Thank you, a very interesting read. Herr Rabe was certainly a very complex man.


12 posted on 12/17/2005 7:03:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: American Soldier

Therein lays the problem. There is no denying what the Japanese did was horrible. But Mao's Communists would go on to outdo the atrocities at Nanking en masse on a scale unimaginable. Chiang Kai-Shek's Nationalists, had they been able to maintain mainland China to this day, would've been the only political entity that could've, without incredulous hypocrisy, demand an accounting from the Japanese.


13 posted on 12/17/2005 7:06:50 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: blam

It has always been a source of irritation to me that we let the Japanese slide compared to the justice we sought from the Nazis. We have former prisoners of war that are still trying to get justice after being used for slave labor by the japanese in WWII. We should be ashamed of our actions toward this country who initially bombed us and started us on the road to WWII.


14 posted on 12/17/2005 7:07:30 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: tallhappy

We hardly "liberated" China.

One of the reasons Truman decided to use the Atomic bomb was because fully 3/4 of the Japanese Army was stationed in China and it's enviorns, left completely unfought, and with relatively easy passage back to the Japanese main islands.

China's role in the Second World War is hugely misunderstood, particularly by the Chinese themselves. The Chinese Nationalists and Communists spent more time fighting each other than they did the Japanese (when they DID decide to fight), and many Chinese simply collaborated, taking a page from the French playbook.

China's great value was not as a fighting ally of the United States, but as a sponge soaking up Japanese troops and equipment that would have been used against us elsewhere.


15 posted on 12/17/2005 7:12:56 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: strategofr

The Chinese are making a bid for mastery of the Western Pacific, while at the same time, creating a new bogeyman: the Japanese Invader. It's not hard to do. The Japanese were beastly to the Chinese during the Sino-Japanese War of 1931-45.

This will have a deleterious effect. The Japanese signed a Naval Pact with the Americans in January. The key fact in the Pacific right now is that the U.S. Pacific Fleet and Combined Fleet will basically train to act as one unit, with an eye towards joint operations against the PLAN. Throw in the Royal Australian Navy and the Indian Navy as a possible wild card and I'd say you have the PLAN contained.

However, this doesn't alter the fact that there is an enormous need for a naval construction program here in the U.S..

Be Seeing You,

Chris

16 posted on 12/17/2005 7:13:42 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: blam; maikeru; Dr. Marten; Eric in the Ozarks; Al Gator; snowsislander; sushiman; ...
Last week, China's premier, Wen Jiabao, cancelled a summit with Mr Koizumi because "Japan won't own up correctly to its history".

And the Chicoms own up correctly to their own??

Japan * ping * (kono risuto ni hairitai ka detai wo shirasete kudasai : let me know if you want on or off this list)

17 posted on 12/17/2005 7:18:55 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: calex59

We have to be pragmatic, unfortunately. Because Communist China remains the 800-lb bad guy gorilla in the region, the Japanese are the de facto good guys now. Fortunately, it's not nearly as bad a choice when we were backing Saddam's Iraq against Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran in the early '80s.


18 posted on 12/17/2005 7:24:00 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: blam

I am not defending Japan but does China teach about the communist attrocities or is this a one-way street with them? /retorical question


19 posted on 12/17/2005 7:25:00 PM PST by packrat35 (The America hating bastards at the NYT must spend their entire life with their heads in the toiletat)
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To: section9

Construct all the ships you want, but where do you get the sailors for them afterwards? As it is now, we have naval superiority, and can achieve air superiority from carriers and land-based aviation around Taiwan right now.

Given help from the Japanese, South Koreans, Aussies and especially the Indians, the Chinese would never get so much as a fishing junk out on the open oceans anywhere around West or Southeast Asia, if hostilities erupted.

What we need is not new construction, although a few new DD(X)'s and some new attack subs would be especially welcome.


20 posted on 12/17/2005 7:34:16 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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