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To: frankjr
"I didn't hear him specify any legal right, except his right as president, which in a democracy doesn't make much sense," Bamford said in an interview. "Today, what Bush said is he went around the law, which is a violation of the law — which is illegal."

The program has oversight from the three branches of govt., which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for Bubba Klinton's adventures in foreign and domestic policy.

Funny, I don't remember these media legal "experts" having these kinds of problems with Waco. And at that time, religious separatists and rednecks were the enemy, not terrorists.

10 posted on 12/17/2005 5:37:07 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; frankjr
The NY Times and the Leftists are revealing themselves for those who understand.....:

For understanding see this:

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A Must Read:

Unholy Alliance :
Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)
by David Horowitz

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Vastly Illuminating, September 25, 2004

Reviewer: Kat Bakhu (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
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I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air.

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11 posted on 12/17/2005 5:41:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"The program has oversight from the three branches of govt."

Did this program have the oversight of the three branches of government? From what I'm reading it looks like "Congressional leaders" were briefed on the program a few times, whatever that means, but the Courts were kept entirely out of it. These were warrantless wiretaps.
46 posted on 12/17/2005 8:31:45 PM PST by TKDietz
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