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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If you have to add anything of your own works to Christ's death and shed blood, then you are not relying on Him alone as a Savior.

The concept you describe is actually untrue, nor is it what is described above in my other post.

You took what was said and twisted it into something else.

You are trying to say that I said that Mormons believe we are 'assisting' Christ. That is not true. We are not assisting Christ's atonement.

What I am saying is Christ metes out what He will mete out. What He requires of each of us is obedience.

It moreso goes like this, Christ saying, "You didn't believe in me. You didn't follow anything I said. You didn't follow the commandments I gave...so why should I help you?"

The idea of earning your way to heaven is a lie and is not a Mormon belief, yet it is often twisted and attributed to Mormons. The idea of being obedient to God though is required. He told us how He will judge, at thats that.

Our obedience is not for His good. It is for OURS. He uses that method to teach us all how to be good children.

You are the one that added in the notion that someone's obedience somehow 'assists' Christ, as though He is unable to accomplish things on His own.

Despite using terminology as you do, when you change the meaning of the words

Which words are those? Change relative to what? What your set of beliefs are? I didn't 'change' jack. I stated the way it is. I did not state 'how it is relative to XYZ other religion'. I don't know what every Amish, Catholic, Methodist, or Baptist means by certain words, however I stated my own.

Fact of the matter though it goes beyond words and into concepts.

Here is an honest question for you. Please answer directly and don't change the subject. Is Christ our Judge? If so, how?

Sadly, mormons do not believe Christ ALONE is enough for salvation. To a mormon, Christ's death was insufficient to grant salvation.

That is a blatant lie on your behalf.

202 posted on 12/17/2005 3:26:44 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
Sadly, mormons do not believe Christ ALONE is enough for salvation.

No it isn't a lie

Mormons believe that Christ died ONLY for Adam's sin

Everyone else has to work out (as in works not grace) their salvation

If you can prove differently I would like to the the evidence

205 posted on 12/17/2005 4:27:07 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: maui_hawaii

MH,
Christ will judge the world. He will "judge" believers as described in Corinthians - but not to determine salvation. Only to determine rewards.

If salvation depends on anything in addition to Christ's sacrifice, you are adding something.

best,
ampu


229 posted on 12/17/2005 8:54:44 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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