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To: MWS

Constitution bars federal troops on our borders.

I didn't mean the patriot act had to do with illegals. I said the same people against spying on al queda overseas to the u.s are saying they are against big govt. But they want big govt against to fight illegals.


This wiretap is tracing al queda overseas with communication to the u.s. If you are interacting with al queda overseas you have no right to civil liberties. CIA agents are catching terrorists overseas and taking numbers on their cell phones and listening to the conversations.


Why should any law abiding american be worried about the cia intercepting a call between an al queda caught overseas and their contacts here in america. Unless you are mohammed atta or his followers you have nothing to worry about.


Only the dems who are so worried about these terrorists getting a fair trial would care.


67 posted on 12/17/2005 11:45:33 AM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: johnmecainrino
I didn't mean the patriot act had to do with illegals. I said the same people against spying on al queda overseas to the u.s are saying they are against big govt. But they want big govt against to fight illegals.

I see. Personally, I think that the problem with illegals would be best taken care of if law enforcement officials would just enforce the laws we already have on the books.

This wiretap is tracing al queda overseas with communication to the u.s. If you are interacting with al queda overseas you have no right to civil liberties. CIA agents are catching terrorists overseas and taking numbers on their cell phones and listening to the conversations.

Innocence until guilt is proven is not a mere civil liberty but a full-fledged human right. The logic you are advocating is the equivalent to what happened during the witch trials, where association with a suspected witch was proof enough that one was likely a witch as well. This logic that terrorists ought to be detained without trials, stripped of even essential human rights treads down a dark path.

That is not a matter of supporting terrorists, but rather a matter of supporting the innocents that might be accused of terrorism. Or do you believe that the government is ALWAYS right when it comes to slapping that label on people?

Why should any law abiding american be worried about the cia intercepting a call between an al queda caught overseas and their contacts here in america. Unless you are mohammed atta or his followers you have nothing to worry about.

Because human rights are not contingent upon government recognition of them. The rights delineated in the Bill of Rights are God-given. They are mine regardless of whether the government wants to recognize them or not. A man has the right to live his life without worry of some government official in some distant office scrutinizing his every movement. Read Orwell's 1984. The very notion that the government has a right to the authority to watch law abiding citizens is an impediment to true freedom. It turns out that in a free society, the government has NO rights. We, as individuals, on the other hand, do.

Only the dems who are so worried about these terrorists getting a fair trial would care.

No. Only decent people that truly believe in freedom and God-granted human liberty care. Just because the government says someone is a terrorist doesn't make it so. The burden of proof upon the government to show that a person is actually a terrorist still remains.

If some Democrats embrace decent, reasonable principles for once, more power to them. Shame on the Republicans for allowing the Democrats to do their work for them.

73 posted on 12/17/2005 11:58:15 AM PST by MWS (Errare humanum est, in errore perservare stultum.)
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To: johnmecainrino
Constitution bars federal troops on our borders.

Where did you get that idea?

81 posted on 12/17/2005 12:19:52 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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