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Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: nmh
In the future I will TOTALLY ignore you.

Understandable. You're a liar and a coward, so you don't want to confront the fact that your lies are so easily exposed and that you have no credibility. No matter, I merely reply to you to make others aware that you are a documented liar here on FR.

Making up lies about me to hide the fact that you are a very viscous liar.

What did I make up? I linked to your own posts to support my claims. Oh, wait, you're just lying again. Nevermind.

Thinking about you gives me the creeps and makes me feel very unclean.

I understand your need to distance yourself from someone who has very clearly exposed your past lies and dishonesty. Go run away like a coward. I'll be waiting for you to post again so that I can make everyone aware of your past dishonesty and your willingness to lie to make a point, then lie again to deny making your own posts.
1,281 posted on 12/18/2005 5:12:55 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Thatcherite
The number of alleles at many loci in the human genome is far too high for example to have come from 8 individuals that recently.

Actually from only 5. Noah and his wife, and their daughters in law.

1,282 posted on 12/18/2005 5:13:35 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: Dimensio
...you are a very viscous liar.

I've noticed that about you -- you're quite sticky, but not much of a drip. Sort of like ketchup with a thin veneer of honey.

1,283 posted on 12/18/2005 5:20:01 PM PST by forsnax5 (The greatest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.)
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To: VadeRetro

Actually, he probably couldn't.


1,284 posted on 12/18/2005 5:20:57 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: longshadow; andysandmikesmom
Perhaps if PH would bring it to the attention of the GrandMaster at DC....

An enemy of Jack (headed for the lake-of-fire) Chick? Mom, you are hereby been declared to be under the special protection of Darwin Central. On your next visit to the Galapagos Islands, the Grand Master himself will be pleased to dine with you. He regards you as a pearl among the naturally selected.

On behalf of the Grand Master, I am,
PatrickHenry

1,285 posted on 12/18/2005 5:21:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry (... endless horde of misguided Luddites ...)
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To: nmh; Dimensio
you are a very viscous liar.

Yes. His characterizations do seem to stick.

1,286 posted on 12/18/2005 5:24:54 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: nmh; Dimensio
You're a VERY sick person. Making up lies about me to hide the fact that you are a very viscous liar.

Some Vicks VapoRub might help with that...

1,287 posted on 12/18/2005 5:25:20 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: Thatcherite
Not to mention Piltdown Man!

I mentioned it once, but I don't think antyone noticed

1,288 posted on 12/18/2005 5:25:36 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: Havoc; Dimensio; b_sharp
[List the citations.]

Seeing as you guys are such experts on the subject, list them yourself..

Your inability to support your own claim is duly noted.

or are you yet another who stands on the street throwing dirt at something he hasn't even bothered see for himself - another armchair superior intellect sitting above it all scoffing from ignorance..

Your attempt to fling dung in a lame and transparent attempt to divert attention from the fact that you have run away from a request that you support your claim is duly noted.

The videos are free. Please tell us you have a clue.

Whether they're free or not, I'm not about to spend valuable time and energy doing YOUR homework for you.

Back when I watched several of Hovind's videos, I don't recall him ever giving "citations" in them. Vague hand-waving claims that someone, somewhere supports his bizarre claims is not the same as "citations". And I'm sure as hell not going to acquire the whole 12-volume set and wade through it just to see whether or not YOUR claim about the video holds water. I'm not doing YOUR homework for you.

But feel free to present these citations if you're able. If not, we'll just draw the obvious conclusions about you.

Meanwhile, for those who would like to vicariously "enjoy" Hovind's video series without having to waste a portion of your life watching them (and/or losing IQ points with each viewing), here's a hilarious blow-by-blow by a blogger who decided to watch them all and report on his experiences: The Hovind Files: Lying for Jesus .

I'd hate to see you guys show yourselves ignorant prejudicial jackboot drones marching to some script cause you can't think for yourselves...

No, I have no interest in following your example.

1,289 posted on 12/18/2005 5:27:22 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dimensio
I checked and there are no 500 theses on Piltdown Man.

There are 100 or so references to magazine and news reports discussing the effect on the British Scientific community as a result of the hoax being unmasked. The list is here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/piltdown/bibliog.html

eleni121 us trying to imply that 500 scientists were duped into writing research papers supporting Piltdown while the reverse is true.

eleni121 claim is just copy and paste blog fodder.
1,290 posted on 12/18/2005 5:27:46 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Thatcherite; Full Court
FC>Your rejection of God is between you and Him.

T>When you are standing before God, and he says,
"Why did you believe a book written by your
less knowledgeable ancestors over the evidence of origins
I left all around you?", don't come whining to me.

955 posted on 12/18/2005 1:00:13 AM MST by Thatcherite (Evolutionists should be burned at the stake)

If you think you will be asked that question, then you are so lost that you think you are wise.

1Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are
perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1Corinthians 1:19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the
intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." [Isaiah 29:14]

1Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the
philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom
did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness
of what was preached to save those who believe.

1Corinthians 1:22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom,

1Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling-block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

1Corinthians 1:24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

1Corinthians 1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and
the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

These are more like the questions you will be asked.

Have you been called by G-d?

b'shem Y'shua

1,291 posted on 12/18/2005 5:29:00 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: Full Court
I can't claim an advanced degree, but I can claim a high level of understanding.

This is the Internet, you can claim an advanced degree too.

1,292 posted on 12/18/2005 5:33:36 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: Havoc; peyton randolph
Try again. The Christian Community decried these guys you would categorize Hovind with - when it was found they were in the wrong. I have not seen such a finding of fact in Hovind's case.

Yes, actually, you *have* already seen Hovind caught lying. You were caught doing the same. Have you forgotten this post (reposted below)?

[Havoc wrote:] Beyond that, there are multiple dating systems that do not verify anything any more than they give any kind of accurate basis to judge a date on anything to begin with. When dating methods place skin on a beast 30k years apart from bone, that isn't substantiating anything, much less arguing for accuracy of the system.

Havoc is lying, and he knows it

A few days ago he made the same claim in this post on another thread:

"Nor can you account for how the sking of a beast could be dated 20k years apart from it's bones."
I responded by pointing out that he was quite mistaken:

"Sure I can, that's an easy one: THAT ISN'T TRUE EITHER. Creationist Kent Hovind was lying -- he falsely claimed that two different dates measured for TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS were from the same mammoth, when they were NOT."

The link was in my original response to him. It documents very thoroughly that Hovind's claim was false, by getting a copy of the source that Hovind *himself* cited in support of his claim, and quoting it to show that it SAID NO SUCH THING. The skin and the bones were dated to different eras, but that's no big surprise because they were FROM DIFFERENT FINDS -- not the same "beast" as Havoc falsely asserts.

And Havoc can't even claim to have not seen my exposure of his falsehoods, since he *responded* to it here at 12/20/2004 00:49:58 AM PST -- a few hours *before* he turned right around and made the same false claim *again* in this thread at 12/20/2004 4:18:07 AM PST in this post...

Havoc, would you care to explain why you're bearing false witness to your fellow Freepers?


1,293 posted on 12/18/2005 5:35:19 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: eleni121
Knucklehead placemaker here eleni121

I predict knucklehead will play these cards from his deck
a;
b:
c:
d:
etc

We have seen knucklehead now fingering one card to throw down. See freepmail for 'the cards'

Wolf
1,294 posted on 12/18/2005 5:38:08 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: XeniaSt

The spirit of God is not within them. That deep spiritual void remains unfilled with God's truth.


1,295 posted on 12/18/2005 5:38:17 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Coyoteman; RunningWolf
[RunningWolf] Being as the Piltdown man hoax lasted for 40 years, It was a large piece of their theory.

[Coyoteman] Some researchers recognized early on that Piltdown didn't fit. Friedrichs and Weidenreich had both, by about 1932, published their research suggesting the lower jaws and molars were that of an orang (E.A. Hooton, Up from the Ape, revised edition; The MacMillan Co., 1946).

This is what a 1946 textbook shows, several years before the claims for Piltdown were completely falsified. I could probably find an older textbook, but I think the point is made.

RunningWolf, you're making a big mistake by buying into the EVO BIG LIE that Piltdown Man was a hoax! It's the EVOLUTIONIST who spread the story that Piltdown Man was a hoax. Doesn't that tell you something???

At first Piltdown Man seemed like great proof of evolution, but later on the evolutionist kept adding stuff to their story, and they wrote themselves into a corner, just like all incompetant fiction writer do. So they had to make Piltdown Man go away.

But they couldn't just ignore Him. After all, there were over 500 thesises written about him! So the evolutionist figured out a way to make him go away: They pulled a CLINTONIAN nuts & sluts defense (well, maybe not the sluts, just the nuts) and viciously smeared the original discoverers of the fossil. They measured some flourine, declared it to be incompatible with an old skull, and complained about Piltdown Man's teeth. And vwa-lah - a brilliant reverse-whammy HOAX was born!

The truth is that Piltdown Man is just an ancient human. NOT a missing link! And it doesn't fit in to the EVO's new storyline. So DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE IT GOES!!!

PLEASE do not fall into their trap. PILTDOWN MAN IS REAL!!!

1,296 posted on 12/18/2005 5:38:43 PM PST by jennyp (PILTDOWN MAN IS REAL! The evolutionist's story that Piltdown was a hoax is the REAL hoax!)
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To: PatrickHenry; longshadow

Thanks to Longshadow for the nomination, and thanks to PatrickHenry for placing me under the special protection of Dawin Central...and we shall dine together on the Galapagos Islands...(since my hubby is newly retired, and we would like to see as much of this world as we can, a trip to the Galapagos is not out of the realm of possibility)

I should thank good old Jack Chick tho...it was because of him and his whining on another site, that I got banned...however, the moderator did realize their mistake and fully reinstated me...I however, did decline that dubious reinstatement...because any site, that takes the Jack Chick side, is not a site I want to be on...

But I thank Jack Chick, because after being banned, all those years ago, I looked around for another site to post on, and found FR, and found a home here, and never looked back...so see there, Jack Chick can do some good...

How was that for a thank you speech?


1,297 posted on 12/18/2005 5:41:18 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: jennyp

I've been saying that for a long time. Piltdown is not a hoax. Only the evilutionists claim that it is a hoax.

The fact that the discovery involved a cleric and believer in intelligent design is evidence for the cover-up.


1,298 posted on 12/18/2005 5:42:50 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Thatcherite; PatrickHenry; andysandmikesmom
Do you remember the guy who had the same bugbear, that somehow Piltdown was a major plank of evolutionary beliefs. In promotion of his belief he posted a list of about 15 scientific papers that cited Piltdown... Problem was, that when you examined the papers they came up as follows: [snip] And the crowning glory of the list was "The Lost World", by Conan Doyle

Yup, that's one of my favorites. Read it in all its glory right here.

1,299 posted on 12/18/2005 5:44:36 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: andysandmikesmom
Jack Chick can do some good

The lord satan works in mysterious ways.

1,300 posted on 12/18/2005 5:44:44 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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