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To: ravingnutter

What adults do on their own time is their own business. If someone wants to smoke then that's their choice. If like minded adults want to smoke then let em hang out in places where they can do their thing.

The effects of smoking around children have been studied enough for their to be evidence that it simply isn't good for them. Give people an out and they will take it by citing some other study that says that some aspects are inconclusive.

Common sense says that anything that you put into the air that has carginogens and other harmful chemicals that kids are going to inhale is probably something you shouldn't be doing at least not around them.


44 posted on 12/16/2005 12:45:40 PM PST by misterrob
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To: misterrob

Then I guess most of us in our 40s and older should be sickly or dead..........and I guess next fireplaces and woodstoves will be banned because of particulate matter....And we won't even discuss grills or frying.....

Good grief.


49 posted on 12/16/2005 12:49:32 PM PST by Gabz
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To: misterrob
Common sense says that anything that you put into the air that has carginogens and other harmful chemicals that kids are going to inhale is probably something you shouldn't be doing at least not around them.

do you feed your kids bacon? bacon has carcinogens in it, and by your reasoning, giving it to them means "You are more than an idiot, you are knowing and willfully causing your child harm by smoking around them giving them bacon"
67 posted on 12/16/2005 1:06:49 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: misterrob
The effects of smoking around children have been studied enough for their to be evidence that it simply isn't good for them. Give people an out and they will take it by citing some other study that says that some aspects are inconclusive.

That would be the fallacy of the ignorant: to conclude that everything must be either bad or good. The absense of "good", then, does not entitle you to decide all on your own that harm must exist. And that harm must be real and measurable and universal, to jam your neuroses down everyones throats as a result.

87 posted on 12/16/2005 1:27:52 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: misterrob

Ummmm...they are not breathing my smoke. I am out on the front porch and they are playing in the house or out in the back yard...geez, I have 1 1/2 acres and their play fort and the basketball court are at least 100 yards away from the porch...I'd be more worried about the toxic fumes from the horse patties in the pasture next door, LOL! The smoking-Nazi restaurants only require 25 feet from their door. My grandkids are old enough to understand that when I tell them I am going to smoke, they stay away from the porch. Lighten up.


91 posted on 12/16/2005 1:31:04 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: misterrob
" The effects of smoking around children have been studied enough for their to be evidence that it simply isn't good for them. "

Hellooo - I call BS. The worlds largest metastudy of Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS, aka second-hand-smoke) says it IS GOOD FOR THEM.

Post evidence otherwise.

93 posted on 12/16/2005 1:32:03 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: misterrob
"Common sense says that anything that you put into the air that has carginogens and other harmful chemicals that kids are going to inhale is probably something you shouldn't be doing at least not around them."

Now, there are two sides to this -

A) we must protect our children from the least harmful influence.

B) Immunize them.

Children raised in a bubble die young. But I suspect that you are about to find that out.

99 posted on 12/16/2005 1:39:45 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: misterrob
Common sense says that anything that you put into the air that has carginogens and other harmful chemicals that kids are going to inhale is probably something you shouldn't be doing at least not around them.

That's true. We can find studies that say a lot of things are harmful. Do you want the government telling you that you can't have ding dongs in your home if you have children? Do you want them to control what video games you can have, what DVDs and CDs you can purchase, or what channels you can have access to?

104 posted on 12/16/2005 1:44:31 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: misterrob

I assume you also support government intrusion into families where parents feed their children fatty junk food, right?

Consider that any danger to the chiiiiildren posed by their parents needs to be weighed against the danger to our Republic and its citizens posed by government usurping ever more parental and property rights.


146 posted on 12/16/2005 4:03:59 PM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: misterrob
Then WHY weren't far more children sick unto death from smoke, when cigar, pipe, and cigarette smoking was not only acceptable, but when at least 85% of the American population smoked like chimneys?
190 posted on 12/16/2005 10:01:20 PM PST by nopardons
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To: misterrob

"If like minded adults want to smoke then let em hang out in places where they can do their thing."

Except that has been banned by the like minded nanny staters, such as you. Just like when smoking areas were banned in the work place, then the gnatzies complain that the smokers are smoking around building entrances.

It's enough to sicken any freedom lover. I guess it doesn't sicken you.


427 posted on 12/18/2005 12:21:43 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: misterrob

"Common sense says that anything that you put into the air that has carginogens and other harmful chemicals that kids are going to inhale is probably something you shouldn't be doing at least not around them."

I suppose you wouldn't want people using toxic substances to clean their homes either. Or to cook food. Or to burn candles in the event of a power outage. Or to warm up a car in the garage.


428 posted on 12/18/2005 12:30:23 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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