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Attila the Hun and the Battle of Chalons (MilHist)
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| Arther Ferrill
Posted on 12/16/2005 9:51:34 AM PST by indcons
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posted on
12/16/2005 9:51:35 AM PST
by
indcons
To: patton; Constitutionalist Conservative; Pharmboy; unionblue83; brazzaville; indcons
Ping to "Attila's Antics" at Chalons
Interestingly, Attila seems to have died after consuming alcohol to excess on his wedding night. Quite an inglorious end for a great warrior.
Some credible anthropological sources claim that the Huns (or Hunas as they were known in Asia) were the ancestors of the Mongols.
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posted on
12/16/2005 9:55:57 AM PST
by
indcons
To: indcons
How many of these invasions were caused by weather?
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posted on
12/16/2005 9:59:13 AM PST
by
patton
("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
To: patton
That's a great question....I don't know the answer though. If the historical assumptions about the Huns and the Mongols are correct, I guess weather (and the lack of grazing land)must have played a major role in their drive toward Europe.
Most interestingly, I am not aware of the historical record of the Huns after they left Rome following the death of Attila.
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:03:38 AM PST
by
indcons
To: indcons
There was a history channel special on weather and war - all sorts of interesting connections between cold winters (over many years) and invasions heading south.
War for resources, again.
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:07:19 AM PST
by
patton
("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
To: indcons
Just an additional tidbit. The 20th Century Germans became known as "Huns" to the British as a result of Kaiser Wilhelm's speech during the Boxer Rebellion in China. A German diplomat had been killed and the Kaiser took a firm line:
"When you come upon the enemy, smite him. Pardon will not be given. Prisoners will not be taken. Whoever falls into your hands is forfeit. Once, a thousand years ago, the Huns under their King Attila made a name for themselves, one still potent in legend and tradition. May you in this way make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint at a German!"
To: ClearCase_guy
Very interesting quote, ClearCase_guy
Surprising the kaiser didn't use the Goths as a reference...they were feared by the Romans too, weren't they?
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:10:13 AM PST
by
indcons
To: indcons
Cool article. Bump for more time.
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:11:16 AM PST
by
Rebelbase
(Green bean casserole is a culinary curse upon mankind.)
To: indcons
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:12:46 AM PST
by
systematic
(Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
To: Rebelbase
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:13:29 AM PST
by
systematic
(Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
To: Aetius
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:13:52 AM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: indcons
Interestingly, Attila seems to have died after consuming alcohol to excess on his wedding night. Quite an inglorious end for a great warrior. Yeah, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:28:11 AM PST
by
dropzone
To: systematic
Thanks for the link.....some interesting info there.
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posted on
12/16/2005 10:31:02 AM PST
by
indcons
To: indcons
The Western Roman Empire had already been ravaged by Visigoths, Vandals, Suebi, Alamanni, Burgundians and other barbarian tribes. The Visigoths had been allowed by Theodosius the Great (AD 378395) to settle along the Danube inside the borders of the Empire. The barbarians were recognized by treaty as an independent people having their own rulers and their own army. (Most Romans of the time were disarmed.) The Visigoths were exempted from Roman taxation and Roman civil and criminal law. In return, they agreed to help defend the Empire against other barbarians. (Doing a job that Romans wouldn't do?) That policy led directly to the fall of the Western Roman Empire in AD 476.
To: Logophile
(Doing a job that Romans wouldn't do?)"
LOL.....
Thanks for the fascinating bit of history in the rest of the post.
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posted on
12/16/2005 11:15:43 AM PST
by
indcons
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To: indcons
to bury his brother, Atilla moved a river, buried Blada in the middle, and then put the river back over the grave so it couldn't be plundered.
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posted on
12/16/2005 11:34:20 AM PST
by
Chode
(American Hedonist ©®)
To: patton
War for resources, again.You oughta make that your tagline.
To: indcons
and the devastation they caused in Gaul Huns defeat French, starting a 1500 year tradition.
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posted on
12/16/2005 11:43:50 AM PST
by
PAR35
To: indcons
After the wars, the Huns settled the plains of what became Hungary.
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posted on
12/16/2005 11:44:46 AM PST
by
colorado tanker
(I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Naaaaah. too misunderstood by liberals.
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posted on
12/16/2005 11:49:54 AM PST
by
patton
("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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