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Attila the Hun and the Battle of Chalons (MilHist)
MHQ: The Quarterly Journal of Military History ^ | N/A | Arther Ferrill

Posted on 12/16/2005 9:51:34 AM PST by indcons

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1 posted on 12/16/2005 9:51:35 AM PST by indcons
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To: patton; Constitutionalist Conservative; Pharmboy; unionblue83; brazzaville; indcons

Ping to "Attila's Antics" at Chalons

Interestingly, Attila seems to have died after consuming alcohol to excess on his wedding night. Quite an inglorious end for a great warrior.

Some credible anthropological sources claim that the Huns (or Hunas as they were known in Asia) were the ancestors of the Mongols.


2 posted on 12/16/2005 9:55:57 AM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

How many of these invasions were caused by weather?


3 posted on 12/16/2005 9:59:13 AM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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That's a great question....I don't know the answer though. If the historical assumptions about the Huns and the Mongols are correct, I guess weather (and the lack of grazing land)must have played a major role in their drive toward Europe.

Most interestingly, I am not aware of the historical record of the Huns after they left Rome following the death of Attila.


4 posted on 12/16/2005 10:03:38 AM PST by indcons
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There was a history channel special on weather and war - all sorts of interesting connections between cold winters (over many years) and invasions heading south.

War for resources, again.

5 posted on 12/16/2005 10:07:19 AM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: indcons
Just an additional tidbit. The 20th Century Germans became known as "Huns" to the British as a result of Kaiser Wilhelm's speech during the Boxer Rebellion in China. A German diplomat had been killed and the Kaiser took a firm line:

"When you come upon the enemy, smite him. Pardon will not be given. Prisoners will not be taken. Whoever falls into your hands is forfeit. Once, a thousand years ago, the Huns under their King Attila made a name for themselves, one still potent in legend and tradition. May you in this way make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint at a German!"

6 posted on 12/16/2005 10:07:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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Very interesting quote, ClearCase_guy

Surprising the kaiser didn't use the Goths as a reference...they were feared by the Romans too, weren't they?


7 posted on 12/16/2005 10:10:13 AM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

Cool article. Bump for more time.


8 posted on 12/16/2005 10:11:16 AM PST by Rebelbase (Green bean casserole is a culinary curse upon mankind.)
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To: indcons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns


9 posted on 12/16/2005 10:12:46 AM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: Rebelbase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyars


10 posted on 12/16/2005 10:13:29 AM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: Aetius

ping


11 posted on 12/16/2005 10:13:52 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: indcons
Interestingly, Attila seems to have died after consuming alcohol to excess on his wedding night. Quite an inglorious end for a great warrior.

Yeah, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

12 posted on 12/16/2005 10:28:11 AM PST by dropzone
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To: systematic

Thanks for the link.....some interesting info there.


13 posted on 12/16/2005 10:31:02 AM PST by indcons
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To: indcons
The Western Roman Empire had already been ravaged by Visigoths, Vandals, Suebi, Alamanni, Burgundians and other barbarian tribes.

The Visigoths had been allowed by Theodosius the Great (AD 378–395) to settle along the Danube inside the borders of the Empire. The barbarians were recognized by treaty as an independent people having their own rulers and their own army. (Most Romans of the time were disarmed.) The Visigoths were exempted from Roman taxation and Roman civil and criminal law. In return, they agreed to help defend the Empire against other barbarians. (Doing a job that Romans wouldn't do?) That policy led directly to the fall of the Western Roman Empire in AD 476.

14 posted on 12/16/2005 11:07:28 AM PST by Logophile
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(Doing a job that Romans wouldn't do?)"

LOL.....

Thanks for the fascinating bit of history in the rest of the post.


15 posted on 12/16/2005 11:15:43 AM PST by indcons (Freepmail "indcons" to join the new Military History ping list)
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To: indcons
Image hosted by Photobucket.com to bury his brother, Atilla moved a river, buried Blada in the middle, and then put the river back over the grave so it couldn't be plundered.
16 posted on 12/16/2005 11:34:20 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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War for resources, again.

You oughta make that your tagline.  

17 posted on 12/16/2005 11:38:20 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: indcons
and the devastation they caused in Gaul

Huns defeat French, starting a 1500 year tradition.

18 posted on 12/16/2005 11:43:50 AM PST by PAR35
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To: indcons

After the wars, the Huns settled the plains of what became Hungary.


19 posted on 12/16/2005 11:44:46 AM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Naaaaah. too misunderstood by liberals.


20 posted on 12/16/2005 11:49:54 AM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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