[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

... We have a different view on poverty now then we once did.

Now our poor families have two cars. They have cable TV. Lots of video games, and can afford to smoke 3 packs a day of cigarettes at $3 a pack.

They eat fast food on a regular basis. Their standard of living is also reduced by having to pay interest on their obscene amount of debt.....

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When I was young the poor(I was as poor as you could get) had to buy their own tv's fast food, cigarettes, etc. If you could buy a car, you were no longer poor.

Now we are forced to buy the all the goodies for them.

We need a two pronged approach.

Close the borders for our national survival and stop supporting those who would be better off working for their junk food and toys.

Give the foreign invaders incentive to reform their own damned hellholes, and give our domestic poor the incentive to work two crappy jobs, learn to plan and save and get their own lives together.

True poverty and the fear of starving are great motivators.
I speak from experience.

Open borders and welfare are the path to destruction.

Yes, I know, neither one will happen.

Prepare for the consequences.

[A. Pole]

True poverty and the fear of starving are great motivators. I speak from experience.

It depends what are the perspectives of improving ones own life. If the perspectives are good, the poverty and insecurity will motivate people to work hard. If the perspectives are not so good or very uncertain, the poverty and insecurity will motivate people to change the political system and to help strong leaders who promise security and better life to get into power.

[untrained skeptic]

I agree.

I've been fortunate enough to never have been truely poor, though I grew up below what is considered the "poverty" level.

We were close enough to poor that I learned that I didn't want to spend my life being poor, and I learned a very good work ethic from my father.