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Police Aren't The Solution (Illegal Immigration)
Daily Pilot ^ | December 14, 2005 | Steve Smith

Posted on 12/14/2005 7:08:27 PM PST by LNewman

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Local illegal alien apologist defends "right" to economic slaves.

Column is in response to Costa Mesa Council's decision to train officers to identify immigration status of incarcerated criminals.

1 posted on 12/14/2005 7:08:28 PM PST by LNewman
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

ping


2 posted on 12/14/2005 7:11:30 PM PST by LNewman
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To: LNewman

No, the raids didn't work. But if they had tossed his father's butt in prison for about 10 years, the other factory owners might have gotten the message and changed their business practices.


3 posted on 12/14/2005 7:11:59 PM PST by jackbenimble
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He does have one thing right, though. More police really aren't the answer.

The real answer is imprisoning the criminal factory owner and manager for the crime of hiring the illegals in the first place. And it doesn't take any additional police to accomplish that.

4 posted on 12/14/2005 7:13:20 PM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: pillbox_girl

I agree.....
In general, The police are not looking for the drug user.
They want the dealer, Who is making all the money and leaving victims everywhere .



It is highly similar to border control.


5 posted on 12/14/2005 7:18:31 PM PST by Nothometoday
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To: LNewman; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
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To be perfectly honest, I'm at the point where I think we need to pursue all possible courses of action to stem the flood of illegal aliens entering our country.

There is no longer one right way to attack this cancer.

6 posted on 12/14/2005 7:19:43 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Plug the dike ~ Drain the swamp ~)
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To: LNewman

"But I've also read reliable studies that show that the benefits the illegal immigrants bring to our economy offset their cost by a wide margin."

Bogus crap studies he means. There's no comparison, illegals cost MUCH more (I mean BILLIONS) more than their labor contributes. The only beneficiaries are greedy lawbreaking employers, everyone else takes it in the neck.

"Go ahead, seal off the borders if you want. Build a mile-high fence. Put a wall around the city limits. Go ahead, get tough. But be careful what you wish for, for one of the results could be to paralyze some large and small businesses."

My heart bleeds for employers who systematically broke the law, over decades. They'll go under, no more than they deserve, or they'll pay a living wage to legal Americans and survive like the law-abiding employers everywhere.


7 posted on 12/14/2005 7:20:20 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: jackbenimble

Agreed. And while he doesn't seem to have a problem calling an illegal a criminal, he paints the employers as savvy business owners.


8 posted on 12/14/2005 7:23:39 PM PST by LNewman
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To: LNewman
Steve Smith is apparently unable to connect the dots regarding corruption.
9 posted on 12/14/2005 7:24:02 PM PST by sarasmom ("The French are revolting." Some phrases are true on so many levels, it's mystical!)
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To: LNewman
But I've also read reliable studies that show that the benefits the illegal immigrants bring to our economy offset their cost by a wide margin.

No you haven't Mr. Smith. There is not one, even on a national level. You're citing thinly veiled diatribes from pro immigration activists. Not a single, scholarly article ties the productivity of imported labor to the immediate cost of the social safety net in California. Starting with the first, comprehensive, study addressing this issue, published by the NIH, existing, credible, published studies show an immediate net deficit or lifetime deficit in public benefit to public cost in this labor class.

10 posted on 12/14/2005 7:27:00 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: LNewman
Don't expect any businessperson to stand up and support illegal immigration. But if you get them in a one-on-one, in an honest moment, they'll tell you that the stability of their business depends on this cheap labor.

American business can solved this problem by moving the factories into Mexico. Making the product there, and shipping it back into the USA. Brilliant!! - Tom

11 posted on 12/14/2005 7:27:54 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: LNewman

Steve Smith and his father are the problem not the solution and exactly why the country's in the mess it is today.


12 posted on 12/14/2005 7:28:02 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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Today, businesses hire illegal immigrants not to maximize profits but to stay competitive.

BS - nothing has changed ...

13 posted on 12/14/2005 7:28:31 PM PST by 11th_VA (Minutemen - Protecting the border the President won't protect ...)
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To: Capt. Tom

That's called NAFTA, and CAFTA.

Clever acronyms for 'screw American workers, I need to bump up my stock price by 5% so I get the 100mil. options package'.


14 posted on 12/14/2005 7:30:20 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: LNewman

Police Officers that aren't allowed to actually ENFORCE the LAW are truly ineffective.

Police Officers that are ENCOURAGED to actually ENFORCE the LAWS that are ON THE BOOKS are.

What part of ILLEGAL ALIEN is so damned hard to understand?


15 posted on 12/14/2005 7:31:02 PM PST by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: HiJinx
"To be perfectly honest, I'm at the point where I think we need to pursue all possible courses of action to stem the flood of illegal aliens entering our country."

If we don't, we'll probably have another 100 million in ten or twenty years!

16 posted on 12/14/2005 7:41:20 PM PST by TheLion
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To: wvobiwan
That's called NAFTA, and CAFTA.

Clever acronyms for 'screw American workers...

As we speak US reps are in the Doha Round of WTO meetings in Hong Kong where India is demanding more access to immigrate their professionals here. We can expect thousands additional visas will ultimately be handed out, no doubt that was the master plan when the Senate voted recently to massively expand the H1-b program.

The bottom line is American jobs are just another commodity to be bartered in the global economy.

17 posted on 12/14/2005 7:41:23 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: LNewman
They are cheap labor for the factories but that does not translate into cheăper costs fr their goods. Those illegals are supported by our state and local governments for their medical , some housing, some food and lots of schooling. That translates into higher taxes for the citizens which means lower disposable income which means that the products made by those factories are not so cheap. They are still not competitive. The rest of us are paying the costs of their "cheap labor" but we pay it to the government. Those factories are not paying their way.

I am not even particularly against fairly open borders for the labor, but it has to come with no access to any welfare, NO MEDICAL welfare, no schooling without tuition or proof of property ownership and property taxes paid and no automatic citizenship for the babies. The illegals are, in effect, making far more than their factory pittances when all the other benefits that we have to pay for are factored in.

Citizenship should be a possibility but only for those who have demonstrated a profficiency in English and a command of American History the way it was taught in 1950 at the latest, etc. And we have to include strong positive ID for voting in anylocal, state or national election.

18 posted on 12/14/2005 8:09:13 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: 11th_VA
Today, businesses hire illegal immigrants not to maximize profits but to stay competitive.

Just saying the same thing twice, denying it the first time and affirming it the second time. And if his business is not trying to maximise profits it is failing and will soon go out of business.

It's like the textile industry. We are paying twice for those shirts: once in the store and once again when we pay Uncle the amount of the subsidies and the tariff and the exclusions. THEY ARE NOT COMPETITIVE. These are third world industries and an inefficient use of capital which would otherwise be supporting those jobs and industries at which America is cost-efficient.

19 posted on 12/14/2005 8:16:35 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: Amerigomag; wvobiwan

try this link

http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back505.html

In general, it is very negative for immigration with the central tenant being, they get old like everyone else.

But, they do acknowledge this fact

Table 2 shows that in the 2000 Census, 66.2 percent of the nation?s total population was of working age, including immigrants. The working-age percentage for natives is 64.2 percent and for immigrants it was 81.9 percent. Clearly, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be between 15 and 64.


20 posted on 12/14/2005 8:48:42 PM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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