Posted on 12/14/2005 6:19:00 PM PST by SJackson
So we're not a theocracy?!? Wow! Who would have guessed? (sarcasm)
Mullah Alexander Hamilton is rolling over in his grave.
Today, meanwhile, the Muslims and Hindus duke it out, but both of them attack the Christians and the Christians attack nobody.
In Africa, India, Egypt and and Indonesia, mobs attack Christian Pastors, accusing them of converting somebody from Islam or Hinduism.
See "Voice Of The Martyrs" here: http://www.compassdirect.org/en/newsen.php
I couldn't get through the guy's prose. Too dense. I began to fear that the effort that I put into understanding the guy's point would not be rewarded with anything particularly interesting entertaining enlightening or to my liking.
I agree with Mordecai Noah, the treaty with the Bey was "taqqiyah" on both sites.
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What we do have is a 'certified copy' written by a man, Joel Barlow, who brought to publication Thomas Paine's diatribe against Christianity, "The Age of Reason," and whose motives might be described as suspect.
The Avalon Project at Yale University, without assigning any motives to Mr. Barlow, notes of the blatant discrepancy:
As even a casual examination of the annotated translation of 1930 shows, the Barlow translation is at best a poor attempt at a paraphrase or summary of the sense of the Arabic; and even as such its defects throughout are obvious and glaring. Most extraordinary (and wholly unexplained) is the fact that Article 11 of the Barlow translation, with its famous phrase, "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion," does not exist at all. There is no Article 11. The Arabic text which is between Articles 10 and 12 is in form a letter, crude and flamboyant and withal quite unimportant. … How that script came to be written and to be regarded, as in the Barlow translation, as Article 11 of the treaty as there written, is a mystery and seemingly must remain so. Nothing in the diplomatic correspondence of the time throws any light whatever on the point (1)
These Yale researchers then note that:
[E]vidence of the erroneous character of the Barlow translation has been in the archives of the Department of State since perhaps 1800 or thereabouts; for in the handwriting of James Leander Cathcart [the American Consul to Tripoli, at the time] is the statement … that the Barlow translation is "extremely erroneous." (2) A "poor attempt at a paraphrase," "defects throughout," "obvious and glaring," "extremely erroneous," a "famous phrase … [that] does not exist at all"; of these I have little doubt.
But returning to Mr. Barlow's motives in penning such a copy upon provisions that did not exist: his connection to the doctrines of the fallen angel Thomas Paine, and his own descent from his former involvement in the ministry into what was then dubbed "liberal Christianity" looms large, and helps unravel "the mystery."
So do a couple of other possible character flaws.
A little over a decade after the signing of the Treaty of Tripoli, in an April 24, 1812 letter from James Madison to Thomas Jefferson, we read of Madison's concerns about Barlow's fidelity to representing America in yet another land, France:
A letter from Barlow to Granger fills us with serious apprehensions that he is burning his fingers with matters which will work great embarrassment and mischief here, and which his instructions could not have suggested. (3)
Madison was concerned about the man's fidelity to his American commission, and common sense. John Adams had similar concerns. After denouncing the recent works of Tom Paine as "the Ravings and Rantings of Bedlam," in a July 15, 1813 letter to Jefferson, Adams moved to the subject of Tom Paine's publisher, Joel Barlow, who was "about to record Tom Paine as the great author of the American Revolution!"
To which Adams retorted, "If he was; I desire that my name may be blotted out forever, from its records." - LINK
No Creator.
No unalienable rights.
Ditto. Or, it appeared to signify nothing without any decent sound and fury.
"No Creator.
No unalienable rights."
EXACTLY!
Worship God or worship the State. No other choice.
Amerigo Vespucci :
lived from 1454 to 1512. He was a merchant and an explorer of Spanish descent. Vespucci took part in many early voyages to the New World for the Spanish. He was chief navigator for the Spanish and this included preparing maps and routes to the New World. Of his two or three voyages, one was the discovery of parts of South America, specifically Argentina and Pategonia areas. In 1502, his voyages were highly important because they confirmed doubts of the New World being a separate land from Asia. In 1504 or 1505 accounts of his voyages came out on "A Chronicle of Navigation, Mundus Novus". The New world was named after him in 1507 by Martin Waldseemuller who also wrote travel accounts of Vespucci. Although this name was derived primarily for South America, the name stuck for North America as well.
A famous Italian navigator, born at Florence, 9 March, 1451; died at Seville, 22 February, 1512; he was the third son of Ser Nastagio, a notary of Florence, son of Amerigo Vespucci. His mother was Lisabetta, daughter of Ser Giovanni, son of Ser Andrea Mini; her mother was Maria, daughter of Simone, son of Francesco di Filicaia. The date of Vespucci's birth, formerly much discussed, is now definitively established by the books of the Ufficio delle Tratte, preserved in the Reale Archivio di Stato of Florence, where the following passage is found: "Amerigo, son of Ser Nastagio, son of Ser Amerigo Vespucci, on the IX day of March MCCCCLI" (1452, common style). The mother of Amerigo's father was Nanna, daughter of Mestro Michele, of the Onesti of Pescia, and sister of Mestro Michele, the father of Nicolè and of Francesco, who resided in the magistrato supremo of the Priors in the Republic of Florence.
Born: 9-Mar-1454
Birthplace: Florence, Italy
Died: 22-Feb-1512
Location of death: Seville, Spain
Cause of death: unspecified
Gender: Male
Religion: Roman Catholic
Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Explorer
Nationality: Italy
Executive summary: American eponym
Yep it's a Christian nation !
That principle is found only the Christian Worldview.
The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of a monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh is directly from Moses.
Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. It is being played out here and all over the world today...
Why else would the Ten Commandments be so prominently displayed at the United States Supreme Court? It is the basis of our law.
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