The Real Reason Liberal Jews Fear Evangelical Christians

Jewish Press ^ | 12-14-05 | Levi Sokolic

[Salem]

Much interesting discourse on this thread.

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[notigar]

No, they let God do it for them at the end.

[Alouette]

If it were based, in the OT, on following G-D's Laws the Israelites would have been dumped by G-D many times over.

And who qualified you to pass that judgment?

[hiredhand]

The true name of Adonai was used a LOT before Jewish scribes wrote it OUT of Tanakh! As best can be determined, it was "written out" 7000 times in the Tanakh alone. To call on His name was literal. It didn't mean to use one of His many titles! His chosen people KNEW his true name at one time! Not the abreviation for it which is YHVH.

In truth, it's politically correct to NOT use His name, which is as best can be determined thousands of years later is Yahoveh (pronounced "Ya-Hoe-Vay"). Nowhere in Tanakh or B'rit Hadashah (New Testament) can it be found where we are told not to use His great name, especially to give Him credit or call on Him in time of need. It's only in rabbinical commentary where it was taught to be an irreverence to use His name at all. It was a largely successful attempt to turn Adonai's plan for His people into religious legalism.

The command to NOT speak His name was an effort to not profane His name with one's mouth. It's ironic that many profane inwardly in their hearts, where only Adonai can discern.

The last thing I want to do is offend Jewish people, but the fact is that this stems from Sh'Mot (Exodus) 20:7 where Moses writes - "You are not to use lightly the name of Adonai your God, because Adonai will not leave unpunished someone who uses his name lightly."

It didn't help that tetragrammation of the vowel sounds of Adonai's name left us guessing today, but a command to not speak, or write the name of the Lord (except in a manner which which dishonors Him) is an unfounded myth, written nowhere in Tanakh, or the New Testament, or any translation thereof.

How can anybody read the Scriptures and not be left with the impression that Adonai wants to know us PERSONALLY!? He was pretty "personable" to Moshe and Avraham! He was said to be "Abraham's Friend!" But alas, the same "spirit" which murders Prophets of Adonai has decreed that we aren't to utter His great and Holy name for any reason, EVER.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'm saying that God's designation of "Chosen People" in the OT was based on genetics.

Wrong. You ever heard of Ruth the Moabites? David's grandmother? Or the exodus composed of a "mixed multitude"?

[Bella_Bru]

His pastor.

[Bella_Bru]

No, it's not PC, no matter how much those who imagine PC dragons around every corner want to think it is.

[Mark Felton]

"Every January they have a big pro-life rally in a hotel ballroom, big name speakers and workshops. Take a survey and you'll find out that a high percentage of the attendees are not registered to vote. Suggest to the leaders of the pro-life movement that voter registration be done at the pro-life rally and they are near unanimously opposed. They oppose any action beyond whining and puffing up their own chests about how pure they are that they don't get their hands dirty with things like politics."

I've managed 2 congressional campaigns, Bill Federer (1998) and Todd Akin (2000). I have found the reverse to be true.

The most active, reliable supporters we had were the pro-life organizations such as Missouri Right to Life and National Right to Life.

When you get their endorsement you also get a group of dedicated people who put a tremendous amount of volunteer time into the campaign, including signing up new voters.

These people are at the heart of any good conservative grassroots campaign. They make things happen. They roll up their sleeves and work harder than just about anyone else.

How hard would you work to save a life?

[HeadOn]

Of course. Sorry. Stupid mistake.

[Ancesthntr]

Thus they are in need of Jesus Christ.

In YOUR opinion. Others, including me, would have a different recommendation.

[Mark Felton]

Without any doubt i know they need jesus Christ. He is the solution for all of us. God calls us all to Christ, we often don't recognize the calling and try to salve it with materialism or false religions, or obsessive behaviours, or simple denial.

For 25 years I was an agnostic and confident I was correct. I was never more wrong.

I am a scientist/engineer, business owner, husband, father and otherwise very successful. but almost 2 years ago I discovered there is a God and He created a tool for connecting us to Him. That "tool" is Jesus Christ.

Once you turn that tool on (accept Jesus), you will find your worldview greatly enhanced and many things come into perspective. You will also discover a new "energy" or new type of "passion" that enlightens thought and motivates actions. You will discover the power of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is real. Jesus is the only way. There is no doubt. none.

[AnalogReigns]

You do have a point...however Jews have been in diaspora since AD 70, until 1947, never in power...so hard to make a comparison with the dozens of countries led by Christians during that same time period.

As to your point about during the original conquest of Palestine (ca. 1500 to 1000 BC) "I believe the peoples of that land had a choice to live in peace with the Jewish people..."

Sorry, that's wrong. The Torah makes clear that the people in Canaan were to be utterly anihilated, men, women, children, even animals (at times)--and not allowed to make peace. The first Hebrew King Saul was severely judged for NOT carrying out utter destruction, as it was specifically commanded by God, for example.

This has been a great problem to ethicists since, Jewish and Christian. The best explanation (confirmed over and over by archeology) is that the Canaanite peoples were SOOOO perverse, violent, and and frankly evil (child sacrifice, for example was routine...and that's not the 10th of it....) they needed to be judged by God, and the Jewish people were the instrument.

As a Christian, I firmly believe there is no corner on the market for sin... "There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins." (Eccl. 7:20)

"We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;..."

[Ancesthntr]

I'll repeat my message of Post #150: "In YOUR opinion. Others, including me, would have a different recommendation."

If worshipping G-d in your fashion has made you a better person, good for you and good for the rest of the world. Your way, however, isn't the only way, nor is it the best way for every person. Since you obviously disagree - and have every right to do so - we just as obviously have nothing more to say to each other. Peace to you and yours.

[kenavi]

As far as I know evangelism is not part of Judaism. I don't know of any historical accounts where Jews used force to confiscate the lands of another people - other than of course at the command of God when they entered Canaan.

Here's a notable exception:

“Herod was of the line of rulers who had been installed by the Jews to rule Idumea (Edom) after its conquest and forced conversion to Judaism under the Macchabees.”
http://cc.usu.edu/~fath6/Romanrule.htm

The "Chosen People" were supposed to inform the world of God's presence through the example of their holiness. Pre-and post circa 30 A.D. members of this community, whether calling themselves Jews or Christians, have fallen woefully short of that standard. For that reason God sends us the Prophets to raise holy hell with the rest of us.

[spintreebob]

I wish you'd send some of your pragmatic pro-lifers to IL to convert the pro-lifers here. Yes, they have a lot of energy and are very dedicated. But here, their energy is all directed towards waste-of-time activities.... mostly preaching to the choir .... but never getting the choir to come out and vote.

The exception is '94 when the Moral Majority/Christian Coalition working outside the pro-life movement did sucessfully convince the pro-lifers to come out and vote. It is really frustrating that I knock door-to-door; see a pro-life bumper sticker in the driveway; See a well worn Bible on the coffee table; Pat Robertson on TV; and have to spend an hour of my valuable time trying to convince them that they should register to vote... and then vote.

It is notoriuos among Springfield legislators that a pro-life group hires a lobbyist. But 1/3 of the names in their newsletter are not registered to vote and half the names of supporters inthe newsletter who are registered are not dependable voters... and these are the pro-lifers recognized in the newsletter for their dedication to the cause.

[Mark Felton]

It is a shame, but what you say is very true all over the nation.

Many Christians have been indoctrinated by the main stream institutions to believe that "tolerance" is the supreme value and that "peace-at-any-cost" is a supreme objectvie.

As such they are absolutely fearful of sharing their beliefs with others for fear of being labeled as intolerant, war-mongering, racist/bigot/homophobe etc etc...

They cower.

Some feel like they should be doing something so they spend all of their time preaching to the choir since they know they will not meet opposition.

Getting Christians to rise up and take back our culture is mandatory if we are to protect our liberties and freedom.

No atheist ever created a free state.

Protestant Christians are responsiblwe for the existence of most free nations today and wholly responsible for the freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of conscience that is the essence of our US Constitution. The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights were exist ONLY because of protestant christians (in particular one Baptist preacher named John Leland) and has since formed the model for so many new democracies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, Poland, Korea....)

US Christians must rise up and take action to reclaim our culture with Christ at the heart of the values system (not materialism, not hip-hop, not homosexualism, not socialism...)

Christ Brings Division

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.

And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it." -- Matthew 10:34-38