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To: jwalsh07; Politicalities
You mean you actually believe that local folks should control local schools without intervention by federal and state courts where nobodys rights have been violated?

What a novel thought.

I believe that if they lie about evolution, singling it out for the sticker treatment (even though it's got more experimental and observational evidence to support it than either Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitational theory), or if they pretend that ID is a theory, etc, then they should be subject to civil and criminal penalties for fraud, and also subject to impeachment for high crimes. Perhaps even for nonsexual child abuse.

Holding public officials accountable for their actions.

What a novel thought.

78 posted on 12/14/2005 4:42:02 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American

LOL, a novel constitutional approach to federalism and the notion of local control. But thoroughly consistent with statism.


80 posted on 12/14/2005 4:47:08 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Virginia-American
I believe that if they lie about evolution


Scientific Creationism and Error
by Robert Schadewald
(exerpt)

Scientific creationism differs from conventional science in numerous and substantial ways. One obvious difference is the way scientists and creationists deal with error.

Science is wedded, at least in principle, to the evidence. Creationism is unabashedly wedded to doctrine, as evidenced by the statements of belief required by various creationist organizations and the professions of faith made by individual creationists. Because creationism is first and foremost a matter of biblical faith, evidence from the natural world can only be of secondary importance. Authoritarian systems like creationism tend to instill in their adherents a peculiar view of truth.

Many prominent creationists apparently have the same view of truth as political radicals: whatever advances the cause is true; whatever damages the cause is false. From this viewpoint, errors should be covered up when possible and only acknowledged when failure to do so threatens greater damage to the cause. If colleagues spread errors, it is better not to criticize them publicly. Better to have followers deceived than to have them question the legitimacy of their leaders. In science, fame accrues to those who overturn errors. In dogmatic systems, one who unnecessarily exposes an error to the public is a traitor or an apostate.

Ironically, creationists make much of scientific errors. The "Nebraska Man" fiasco, where the tooth of an extinct peccary was misidentified as belonging to a primitive human, is ubiquitous in creationist literature and debate presentations. So is the "Piltdown Man" hoax. Indeed, creationist propagandists often present these two scientific errors as characteristic of paleoanthropology. It is significant that these errors were uncovered and corrected from within the scientific community. In contrast, creationists rarely expose their own errors, and they sometimes fail to correct them when others expose them. ...

Creation/Evolution, Vol. 6, No. 1, Winter 1986.

81 posted on 12/14/2005 4:47:09 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Virginia-American
I believe that if they lie about evolution, singling it out for the sticker treatment (even though it's got more experimental and observational evidence to support it than either Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitational theory), or if they pretend that ID is a theory, etc, then they should be subject to civil and criminal penalties for fraud, and also subject to impeachment for high crimes. Perhaps even for nonsexual child abuse.

If there was every any doubt that evolution is a religion this post removes it. The amount of irrationality and emotionalism in that statement would make Oprah blush.
101 posted on 12/14/2005 5:55:31 PM PST by microgood
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To: Virginia-American
I believe that if they lie about evolution...

Tell me what in the stickers is a lie, and I'll buy you a beer.

But I agree that public schools should not be lying to children. I don't see anything about it in the Constitution, but from a policy standpoint I believe open deception in the public schools is wrong. To that end, I'm sure you'll agree with me that we should immediately abolish the absurdities that pass for drug education.

Who said anything about the Feds?

Uh... the frickin' judge who ruled that these stickers violate the federal Constitution?

131 posted on 12/14/2005 8:28:06 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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