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Thank you so much for the ping to your engaging post!

It is troubling to me that the word “lie” is gratuitously thrown around on these threads. The word “lie” means there was an intent to deceive – and who can speak to what another is thinking? It is an incendiary word.

More appropriate words could be used, such as “the statement was a misrepresentation” or “it was false, incorrect, or incomplete”. None of these speak to intent. Even the word “misleading” doesn’t necessarily go to intent.

Of course, I love Truth. I love God Who is Truth.

Then again, not everyone can handle Truth.

Moreover, when some people speak of “truth” they speak conditionally – a “truth” based on a presumptive worldview or personal value of types of knowledge. Some for instance may dismiss any “truth” which is not obtained through observation or experiment.

The most tragic, IMHO, condition to “truth” is a contrived subset of reality – a hermetically sealed “second reality” which precludes everything else.

Moreover, the observer is himself part of the reality he seeks to describe, thus his "truth" is always relative. There is only one source for absolute, objective Truth.

It is troubling to me that the word “lie” is gratuitously thrown around on these threads.

I admit to using the word rather gratitutiously, but I can't imagine that I misused it in relation to hosepipe. Hosepipe explicitly stated that "non-evo" scientists were the ones who uncovered fossil fakes and/or mistakes, then later -- in the very same discussion -- denied making the claim. If that's not a lie, I don't know what is.

[ It is troubling to me that the word “lie” is gratuitously thrown around on these threads. The word “lie” means there was an intent to deceive – and who can speak to what another is thinking? It is an incendiary word. ]

True... My experience is some that get all excersized over lies are sometimes the scam artists telling them.. Fear of being found out I suspect.. A second reality demands a good cell wall.. to hold in the lies.. partial truths and poisoned reality.. and to hold out fresh and healthy alternative views..