Posted on 12/14/2005 7:00:30 AM PST by areafiftyone
The guy Rudy is just another politician who was in the right place at the right time. NOT a man of convictions, an oportunist at best.
Stick to governor of NY that's it, nuf said.
Everybody has sinned and has come short of the glory of God. Now don't tell me you have never sinned or is this Jesus I'm talking to.
I saw a poll where Hillary wins NY in a presidential race against anyone.
She has a mid 60's approval rating in New York. Quinnipiac had her beating rudy by double digits in a possible senate matchup.
The beast is untouchable in socialist new york. Don't forget John Kerry got close to 60 percent in New York.
That state is a lost cause for republicans. Why do you think the beast carpetbagged into the state. The dems in new york love the beast.
Bayh would make the Democrats competive throughout the Midwest. He would handily win Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. He would probably win Kentucky and Ohio.
That means the Republicans would have to find a non-traditional candidate of their own, and Guiliani could be it. He would win New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Would be competitive throughout New England and possibly even California.
Neither party's base would be very happy with these nominees, but I could see general electorate getting pretty enthused.
Yes, the ol' "Bush is a RINO, so we'd be better off with 4 years of Clinton and then we'll get a real conservative" stupidity. Except part of the price was a China suddenly making a 2-decade scientific advancement and nuke warheads targeted at the US thanks to institutionalized corruption and removed safeguards instituted by 8 years of a Democrat in the White House. Brilliant thinking.
Was your reply meant for somebody else? I don't see that it is in any way related to what I said.
You said you might vote for a Democrat over a Republican if Giuliani was the candidate, and then made a case for why. Which sounded almost exactly like the argument made in 1992 by so-called 'conservatives' on why they shouldn't vote for President Bush, with parallel logic (which I pointed out.) It backfired bigtime then, and would again.
Yes, ONE ISSUE, since all the other conservative issues of the past seem to have gone by the wayside:
Fiscal conservatism? I guess that was only in fashion when conservatives did not control Congress. Now that they do, they sepnd taxpayer money like drunken sailors on shore leave and only regard fiscal restraint as something good when they have to write $200 billion checks to repair storm damage. Checks, incididentally, which are going to a state (Louisiana)in which a republican couldn't get elected unless he offered free booze and hookers at the polls. Paying for Katrina is about the same as handing Louisiana democrats a blank check. But that's okay, provided we still have highway pork to name yet another deserted stretch of highway after Reagan, or pay for yet another study on the military uses of moehair.
Enforcing immigration laws? Don't make me laugh. Who else is going to mow the golf courses and clean your swimming pools if we don't have an uninterrupted flow in Mexicans? How else can American business continue to show profits unless they're allowed to continue to tap the supply of undocumented, minimum-wage-earning Central Americans who don't ask for (nor expect) benefits? Or build expensive, modern production plants in countries that don't have anything approaching labor laws? Why, I'm sooo f*&^ing happy to be a "conservative" when my house is full of products labeled "Made in China". Or Mexico. Or Indonesia.
Reforming government entitlement programs? Hmmm, can't get social security reform enacted with a Congressional majority? Offer a new Prescription drug benefit program to bribe senior citizens (richest generation in US history)into voting republian at least once before they finally die. Yeah, I can see the conservative flag flying proudly in the breeze.
Gay rights? I thought Conservatives were all for equal rights for all. Where the Gay Rights agenda (and many other "progressive" causes, i.e. Affirmative action, reparations, Title IX, etc.) go wrong is in pushing for "extended" rights based upon aggrieved status. Perhaps if Conservatives spent more time making their case for their view of equality based upon law and the Constitution, we could make progress on some of these fronts. Instead, conservatives act more like the Taliban than they do Americans --- there is no compromise and there is no counter-argument that doesn not involve the religious nuts within our party.
Gun rights? That's a good one. When in doubt, always reach for your guns. I was a gun owner for many years until I decided they were more trouble than they were worth. That's a personal decision. I don't hunt for sustenance (or sport), nor am I expecting to repel the invading Fed'ral stromtroopers who will drop from black helicopters onto my rooftop in the middxle of the night. The Red Hoardes are now Capitalists. The inner-city third-world seems more interested in burning down and looting their own neighborhoods than they are in paying an $8 one-way toll to invade my neighborhood. The inner-city third world seems more interested in killing each other over disputes involving rap music and malt liquor than they are in killing me.
Excuse me for being conscious, but it's becoming obvious to those of us who once believed in Conservatism that it has seriously lost it's way. There is no hue and cry over rampant spending. There is no fuss kicked up over the fact that we're letting our industrial base (what's left of it) leave the country so that CEO's can avoid American taxes and labor practices. There are no tears shed over the fact that we are losing that which made us American to an invasion of people with no concept of democratic practices or experience of market economics, but who happen to learn very quickly how to exploit our inherant generosity.
However, mention abortion or other right-to-life issues (except capital punishment, where everyone should be fried to a cinder), and conservatives go ballistic. Note the brouhahas over Judges Roberts and Alito, and the Terry Schiavo tragedy.
So, yes, Conservatism is increasingly becoming a one-issue ideology (anti-abortion)these days. That you (and many here)pretend otherwise does not make me wrong.
I think Warner will be the Dem Nominee. The ultra Dems seem to like him better than Bayh although they prefer Clark.
With Hillary in office, at least the Republicans would try to fight against it.
In 1992, the problem was people mad at Bush going third party, not that they voted for Clinton. (BTW, I voted for Bush against Clinton even though I thought Bush probably deserved to get kicked out of office.)
We need to keep Hillary out of the Whitehouse, but I think we'd regret it more if we'd put Giuliani in.
to think he may take n.y and n.j and I am sure a lot of southern and midwest males would vote for him; ;the demrats have to have those 2 states to win that's what almost over 70 electoral college votes alone and all the retirees in florida, anybody but the "beast" hillary,mccain,edwards,clark or vietnam war hero "frenchy kerry"
A well-put post.
he was separated from his wife and donna was no angel before the split
The Republican base is west of the Alleghenies, east of the Sierra Nevada, and south of the Potomac. Ignoring that base would spell an electoral disaster for the GOP. Why do you think President Bush seldom acknowledges his family's Yankee roots and his New England boarding school and Ivy League education?
Thank you. I was always a great believer in honesty. We need more of it, it seems.
Bayh scares the dickens out of me. He is still one of Indiana's most popular politicians, despite being every bit as liberal as Schumer and Hillary(!).
He could single-handedly rewrite the electoral map if he gets the nomination. Hopefully, the Dems are too stupid to nominate him.
"he was separated from his wife and donna was no angel before the split"
Remember, he was married BEFORE Donna Hanover, as well, and divorced her (and then got an annulment - because she was a relative).
I seriously doubt that Giuliani would lose many primaries west of the Alleghenies. What the man accomplished and what he stands for is something that all Americans should welcome.
This is a man who took on the mob. And won.
This is a man who took control of a city in the grips of rampant drug-driven crime and introduced a novel solution: locking criminals up and throwing away the key. He fought crime by flooding the streets and subways with cops. he turned NYC from the O.K. Corral to a liveable place by realizing that "quality of life crimes" are every bit as important as "headline crimes".
This is a man who managed the worst terrorist attack in American history (9/11) without the immediate aid of FEMA or any other Federal entity. The FDNY, NYPD, and all relevant city agencies kept order and ran the show until FEMA, etc. showed up weeks later. The City had a plan and followed it. Had Giuliani been in charge in New Orleans, you could be damned sure that the idiocy and foolishness on display there would not have occurred.
I was born and raised in New York and lived here most of my life (I've recently returned). I remember the days when simply walking down the street was taking your life into your own hands. I remember the days when every surface was covered by grime and graffitti and every park was infested with rats you couldn't kill with kryptonite. If anyone could straighten out the mess left by Abe Beame, Hugh Carrey, Mario Cuomo and David Dinkins, it was Giuliani. That's 30 years of democrat neglect, incompetence and stupidity corrected within 8 years.
No, Rudy is not a perfect human being, but who is? The record speaks for itself as far as results. Based on these results, Giuliani would be more qualified to be President than most of the "front-runners" these days.
Excuse me, but I forgot to mention the disaster that was Ed Koch in my previous post.
Well, all those shouting anti-gun against Rudy, might want to remember those in the military who had to put up with 8 years of those military-hating CLintons...I, for one, will vote anyone over the she-Clinton who is so anti-military that she would not only DE-GUN them, but wipe out our reserves and force the draft because that's the ONLY way she'd get people to sign up to work for her! (and I have a 16 year old son!)
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