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To: VadeRetro
Re-read my posts. What I was specifically referring to--from the beginning--was the issue of genetic diversity among people within the same ethnic group/race and the genetic diversity among the population as a whole. This argument as put forth by Lewontin and Gould was meant to undermine the concept of race as meaningless. It is not, as anyone with eyes and ears can attest.

What society DOES with that concept is another matter entirely, but I am strictly speaking of the biologic issues. Lewontin and Gould used half-truths and misrepresentations to bolster their political views through "science." If you contend that they are and were great scientists, so be it. Whatever their accomplishments in research may have been is--IMO--subverted by their politics.

Perhaps you hadn't heard, but they attacked E.O. Wilson repeatedly for his sociobiology, and circulated petitions to stop discussion of IQ and genes on the Harvard campus. Nice heroes you have...I guess Lysenko is on your list also.

48 posted on 12/15/2005 7:34:53 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
Re-read my posts.

YOU reread them.

What I was specifically referring to--from the beginning--was the issue of genetic diversity among people within the same ethnic group/race and the genetic diversity among the population as a whole.

And the picture we have is that a population which already had a lot of diversity in things like blood types went through some recent bottlenecks, then diversified again to a level of something which you would call subspecies in non-human animals or varieties in plants. Something well short of speciation.

And now, for what it's worth, we're remelding in an era of easy travel. Some people may look with dismay on a future filled with "mud people" but those are the breaks. I personally am dismayed at reports that someday within a century or less there won't be any redheaded women. Always had a special thing for pretty redheads. Still, if that's where freedom takes us, that's the future we need. Can't be against freedom.

What society DOES with that concept is another matter entirely, but I am strictly speaking of the biologic issues. Lewontin and Gould used half-truths and misrepresentations to bolster their political views through "science."

You have nowhere documented this. ALL the half-truths and misrepresentations have been yours on this thread. You're a mess. The issues I supposedly don't understand are your issues. Get over them and start showing some integrity in your characterizations of other people's positions. BTW and for instance, I have not defended and do not defend collectivism, statism, nanny-statism, etc.

49 posted on 12/15/2005 8:18:50 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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