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1 posted on 12/14/2005 5:26:38 AM PST by SJackson
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Well, DUH!

Your guberment, hard at work overstating the obvious.

45 posted on 12/14/2005 6:54:28 AM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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"Strategic themes suggest Islam is radical by nature," according to the briefing, which goes on to cite the 26 chapters of the Quran dealing with violent jihad and the examples of the Muslim prophet, who it says sponsored "terror and slaughter" against unbelievers

A conclusion reached on Free Republic by many of us years ago. - Tom


48 posted on 12/14/2005 7:17:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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bttt


50 posted on 12/14/2005 7:23:51 AM PST by kalee
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Awesome post


52 posted on 12/14/2005 7:32:18 AM PST by Cruz
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It goes to show you political correctness costs lives.


58 posted on 12/14/2005 7:57:19 AM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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"Now for the first time, a key Pentagon intelligence agency involved in homeland security is delving into Islam's holy texts to answer whether Islam is being radicalized by the terrorists or is already radical."

DUHH!!

After the attack on 9-11, the Taliban, Iraq, Spanish Train bombings, Indonesian bombings, London Bombings, riots in Autralia, they are FINALLY considering a "connection> between Islam and terrorism?

When did they hear of Amish, Methodists, Hasiditic Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, animists, or any other religious group behaving like this recently???

Anybody who eveer read the Quran and Haddiths and has the slightest knwledge of Islamic history could provide an accurate response to this inane inquiry within seconds -
YES - THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN ISLAMIC WRITINGS AND TERRORISM.


59 posted on 12/14/2005 8:05:36 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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We're going to find out, sooner or later,
If Achmed will pray, to a glowing crater.


60 posted on 12/14/2005 8:06:01 AM PST by Travis McGee
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PC still infects the Pentagon, four years after jihadists hit the nation's military headquarters. "A lot of folks here have a very pedestrian understanding of Islam and the Islamic threat," a Pentagon intelligence analyst working on the project told me. "We're getting Islam 101, and we need Islam 404."

It didn't take us 4 years after Pearl harbor to figure out Japanese Imperialism or Nazism. Only a willfully blind, PC mindset can explain this immense dereliction of duty on the part of our leaders and analysts.

Thankfully, at least it's starting to be addressed.

My concern is PC mavens and subversive "civil rights" groups like CAIR, the ACLU and the vicious politicians in the Democrat Party ( and a few "RINOs, like McStain and Lindsay Graham) will murder this tender baby in the womb. They will go after it quickly with sharpened knives. One can already see the effective work they are doing destroying some unpopular underpinnings of this World War, illustrated by such monstrosities as the new "Torture Laws".

61 posted on 12/14/2005 8:07:52 AM PST by Gritty
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Now for the first time, a key Pentagon intelligence agency involved in homeland security is delving into Islam's holy texts to answer whether Islam is being radicalized by the terrorists or is already radical. Military brass want a better understanding of what's motivating the insurgents in Iraq and the terrorists around the globe, including those inside America who may be preparing to strike domestic military bases. The enemy appears indefatigable, even more active now than before 9/11.

And this is why I ask the question, "Is it wise to allow people from terrorist states, or even of the Muslim faith to immigrate to the U.S. while this situation remains fluid?"

It would seem prudent to me, to place a moratorium on that segment of our immigration for a period of time.

Undoubtedly, man of these people pose no threat. The problem is, the few in their midst that do. Those few can cost us dearly.

63 posted on 12/14/2005 8:14:22 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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"Today we are confronted with a stateless threat that does not have at the strategic level targetable entities: no capitals, no economic base, no military formations or installations," states a new Pentagon briefing paper I've obtained.

No, but we don't need to have such an open-arms policy toward every crackpot subversive who wants to invade the U.S.

64 posted on 12/14/2005 8:24:59 AM PST by nightdriver
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People are throwing various quotes from this piece around, so I will throw in this one -

The hardest part of formulating a strategic response to the threat is defining Islam as a political and military enemy. Once that psychological barrier has been crossed, defense sources tell me, the development of countermeasures -- such as educating the public about the militant nature of Islam and exploiting "critical vulnerabilities" or rifts within the Muslim faith and community -- can begin.

Why? I work at Main State in Washington, DC. The Harry S Truman Building. Recently, about a month ago, near all the elevators was a flyer about about a seminar - about understanding Islamic people and countries! I could not believe it! I could not imagine during WW II - or any other wars we have been involved in, including the Cold War - holding seminars in attempting to understand the enemy! I see all kinds of strange things over here. I walked by one office and on the couch was a throw pillow - UN blue with the UN symbol on it! I think we are in dangerous waters in the United States and it may take a major battle within our borders - against elected officials, lawyers, and judges - before it all shakes out.

66 posted on 12/14/2005 8:49:25 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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Top post tks.

Good to see someone is at last lifting the veil. It'll take a long time, but we'll get there in the end.


72 posted on 12/14/2005 9:32:58 AM PST by crazycat
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To paraphrase: "It was the Saudis all along."


76 posted on 12/14/2005 11:16:42 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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Well, at least we can finally get this religious war going ahead full steam instead of the sputtering mess it's been the last 4 years. Let's break out the neutron bombs.


78 posted on 12/14/2005 11:52:28 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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We will not see an adoption of any measures against Islam. Our leaders and society are too drenched in PC'ism to pull their heads out of their asses and tell the truth. It will not be said, untill it is close to too late...


82 posted on 12/14/2005 2:33:49 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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I think I will bump this thread everysingle day, at least a dozen times until the war starts... The amount of time I spend everyday on FR, will ensure this thread's appearence several times everyday. You're about to be the new leader in thread posts....and yes, i know of the one that is around 35,400 +...


83 posted on 12/14/2005 2:45:23 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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Ya'll see this??


84 posted on 12/14/2005 3:11:43 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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Thank God. The first step in achieving victory is understanding the enemy. Going into Iraq did nothing to change or damage Islam. Things will only begin to get better after the West gets over its PC squeemishness and addresses the reality of what Islam is.


85 posted on 12/14/2005 3:24:52 PM PST by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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"Today we are confronted with a stateless threat that does not have at the strategic level targetable entities: no capitals, no economic base, no military formations or installations," states a new Pentagon briefing paper I've obtained. "Yet political Islam wages an ideological battle against the non-Islamic world at the tactical, operational and strategic level. The West's response is focused at the tactical and operation level, leaving the strategic level -- Islam -- unaddressed."

Go read The Belmont Club's "Netwar"

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2005/11/netwar.html

87 posted on 12/14/2005 3:48:38 PM PST by mpreston
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All:

I posted the following to Free Republic years ago. As good as the mind of Ann Coulter is on other matters, her advice to forcibly convert all Islamics to Christianity is not good advice. It would go against our own American tenet and constitutional clause against establishment of religion and could instigate virtually perpetual religious wars around our planet. It would also set Christianity back to what it was in its earlier centuries: a conquering, brutal religion that sought to wipe out the Judaism that it assumed and tried to replace.

The answer, IMO, is to know the following about Islam and to practice for other countries what our foundation of America preaches: the First Amendment of our Constitution. ...freedom of religious expression but with no establishment of religion in government. Spread the best of what we have here--not what the first surviving settlers of America came to get away from (establishments, edicts and inquisitions of Catholicism in Europe).

Surah 003.110
YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.
SHAKIR: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors.

Surah 005.051
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Surah 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Surah 009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Surah 005.033
YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

Here are some excerpts from the Hadith.

In the _Hadith_, also thought by Muslims to be inspired, they are told, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him" (Vol. 9:57), "No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir [infidel]" (Vol 9:50), and "The person who participates in Jihad in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward or booty or will be admitted to paradise" (Vol 1:35).

And a following note.

According to Muslim scholars, Jihad can take the forms of "Jihad of Words," "Jihad of Deception," "Jihad of the Sword," "Jihad of Taxation and Financial Reward," "Jihad of Slavery," "Jihad of the Sharia Law," "Jihad of Polygamy" and "Jihad of the Spirits."
92 posted on 12/14/2005 4:36:03 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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