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Mother sacrifices self for unborn baby (another saint enters heaven...)
The Washington Times ^ | 12/11/2005

Posted on 12/13/2005 7:49:21 AM PST by Rutles4Ever

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To: ssaftler

As other posters pointed out, the use of "partner" in a British publication does not necessarily mean "unmarried." Maybe it's just a misunderstanding.


81 posted on 12/13/2005 11:06:16 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: calex59

The three children she had can be lovingly raised by any other family member or adopted out to a loving home. The unborn child had only one option to survive into a loving home--and it wasn't abortion.


82 posted on 12/13/2005 11:06:50 AM PST by Burkean
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To: calex59
Having a mother is necessary for a life that has meaning or joy? Her four children may not have a birth mother, but they do have something that an aborted child does not have; a chance.

If and it's a big if, she would have had the chemo and survived, how would her three children's lives been any different if she would have been hit by a bus and killed after beating cancer? The point is that having a mother is great, wonderful and I am lucky to have an exceptional one of my own, but simply having a mother is not a reason to kill an innocent child. She cared enough about all of them to give them life and siblings, that's a lot more that can be said for some "mothers".

83 posted on 12/13/2005 11:07:06 AM PST by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Hope the child grows up to he healthy, happy and well adjusted.

As far as giving up her life for her child, she should be commended.

It seems as though since the child was premature and a pregnancy is only 9 months, there is the possibility that the cancer was not curable through chemo.

84 posted on 12/13/2005 11:09:03 AM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: MineralMan
I see where you're coming from and I assert that a middle ground would also be acceptable under Catholic teaching. Although abortion is never permissible, it would not be (I think) wrong necessarily for a pregnant woman to have chemo and let the chips fall where they may.
85 posted on 12/13/2005 11:09:35 AM PST by utahagen
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To: Just mythoughts
Abortion and chemo are separate issues. Abortion is never permitted, but I believe the Catholic Church would say it's morally licit for a pregnant woman to have chemo.
86 posted on 12/13/2005 11:12:32 AM PST by utahagen
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To: GOPPachyderm

"I wonder if the mother couldn't have had the treatment and prayed for the health of the baby?
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Pretty much not. Assuming the treatment involved chemotherapy, the outcome would have been the death of the fetus. Pregnancy and chemotherapy just aren't compatible, basically.


87 posted on 12/13/2005 11:14:05 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Rutles4Ever; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...
Mother's life gift to unborn baby  (fr post)
 
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88 posted on 12/13/2005 11:24:39 AM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Rutles4Ever
The 37-year-old, a native of the Philippines

Lots of good Philippino Catholic women.

Another Gianna Beretta Molla

Tenth of thirteen children born to Alberto and Maria Beretta, she was a pious girl raised in a pious family; two brothers became priests, a sister became a nun. While in college, she worked with the poor and elderly, and joined the Saint Vincent de Paul Society. Physician and surgeon, graduating from the University of Pavia in 1949, she started a clinic in Mero, Italy in 1950. She returned to school and studied pediatrics, and after finishing in 1952 she worked especially with mothers, babies, the elderly, and the poor. Active in Catholic Action, and a avid skier. She considered a call to religious life, but was married to Pietro Molla on 24 September 1955 at Magenta. Mother of three, she continued her medical career, treating it as a mission and gift from God. During her pregnancy with her fourth child, she was diagnosed with a large ovarian cyst. Her surgeon recommended an abortion in order to save Gianna's life; she refused and died a week after childbirth, caring more for doing right by her unborn child than for her own life. Today that child is a physician herself, and involved in the pro-life movement.

89 posted on 12/13/2005 11:26:17 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Rutles4Ever

90 posted on 12/13/2005 11:28:07 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: KOZ.
The priest was mistaken. Although it may be morally licit for a pregnant woman to undergo chemo -- even though the chemo could kill the baby along with the cancer -- it would never be acceptable for the woman to directly abort the child.
91 posted on 12/13/2005 11:29:21 AM PST by utahagen
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To: Tax-chick

"but if she was such a "devout Catholic," why was she living with a "partner"?"

My first question too?

Or was it a reporterette's version.


92 posted on 12/13/2005 11:30:12 AM PST by George from New England
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To: SJSAMPLE

St. Gianna Molla!!!!!!


93 posted on 12/13/2005 11:34:09 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Just mythoughts

The question is: even if she had received the treatment for the cancer, would she have lived? There is not guarantee on that. But, by waiting for treatment until the baby could be delivered, she guaranteed at least one of them lived.


94 posted on 12/13/2005 11:37:12 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Just mythoughts
I do not know the answer to this question, is it the policy/requirement to be pro-life for a mom in this condition to give up her life per these circumstances?

There is no such requirement.

Assume for the sake of argument that the woman had uterine cancer. Then an act which has as its primary object the saving of the woman's life (a hysterectomy) would have as a necessary consequence the concommitant effect of killing her unborn child.

Since the evil averted is equivalent to the (secondary) evil resulting necessarily from the same act, the primary act is judged to be morally permissible (under the principle of double-effect).

An action that is good in itself that has two effects--an intended and otherwise not reasonably attainable good effect, and an unintended yet foreseen evil effect--is licit, provided there is a due proportion between the intended good and the permitted evil.

Principle of double-effect


95 posted on 12/13/2005 11:39:18 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: cubreporter
I'm sorry little Nathan won't have his mother with him physically but...he will always know what a hero she was.

I think that knowledge will be of little comfort to him. People feel survivor's guilt for much less than this. I only say that because it'd be easy to forget that the guilt and heady responsibility this knowledge will bring for the baby/child/adolescent should not be underestimated or taken lightly.

96 posted on 12/13/2005 11:39:34 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: cubreporter

I ~might~ even go so far as to say he'd be much better off not knowing... it'd certainly have to be handled really carefully.


97 posted on 12/13/2005 11:43:37 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
So,IMO,it's by no means certain that she wasn't married to her "partner".

It makes you think that she was married in that the article refers to her other children from her first marriage. I would take that to mean that there was a second marriage--although who knows if this partner was number 2.

98 posted on 12/13/2005 11:44:47 AM PST by Pure Country
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To: MineralMan
I cannot be anything other than pro-choice, for I cannot make such a decision for anyone

The "choice" is normally murder. I'm sure you're not "pro-choice" regarding the criminalization of murder. So the crux of the issue is the humanity of the unborn.

Can you look at the pictures and say that they're not?

99 posted on 12/13/2005 11:45:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Burkean

"I agree. I have seen "partner" used many times in the British press as a catch all that can mean married or shacked up. Interesting that so many people here jumped to the conclusion that puts the woman in the poorest light.

As also the reading in of the word "divorce" where none was mentioned."

Let's be realistic. In the U.S., "partner" still means unmarried and "former marriage" generally means divorce. In this case they might not mean that (and it doesn't matter to me personally what it means) but the vast majority of Americans would read them that way.


100 posted on 12/13/2005 11:50:00 AM PST by Gone GF
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