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To: Golden Eagle
Since you were claiming the only remaining US advantage was in us owning the standards or designs,

Point that claim out, exactly. You will find that I claimed, in very simple language, that the standards are being set and innovated in the West because the Chinese culture does not encourage innovation. It does not seem that you appreciate the difference between "owning" IP and "owning" the process of IP creation.

Patents don't protect anything. They give a legal standing to sue on. The Chinese (with or without the CCP) do not respect rule of law, so "IP ownership" the way you talk about it is meaningless. It would not matter if the Chinese copied our Constitution and proclaimed a free China tomorrow....they do not respect the rule of law and thus IP ownership is meaningless to them.

The Power/Sparc cores don't give them anything they couldn't have already stolen from ARM. IBM and Sun's decisions are capitulation to having lost in the marketplace. And yet, even when they've paid for x86 or ARM cores, name a single product/environment that the Chinese have innovated and dumped on the market such as the iPod+iTunes, rather than just knocking off generic MP3 player hardware?

Where is a single Chinese processor architecture concept? The Western failures of Power and the ancient Sparc dwarf anything the chinese have currently developed....or even have the capability of launching. Where is a chinese RAM interface? Where is a chinese digital video modulation standard?

Yet you think they've "blown past" America in technology. Sorry. Not true. Not with technology (military or civilian), culture, society, or even government.

Yes, even the US government is less corrupt and more efficient than the CCP.

77 posted on 12/16/2005 2:53:04 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Thanks for the reply.

It does not seem that you appreciate the difference between "owning" IP and "owning" the process of IP creation.

I understand one is tangible and measurable and the other one is a theory. You claim the U.S. is superior and will remain so, but that is only a hypothesis. What we do know, based on measurements of fact, is that China's overall tech exports just grew at a 50%/year pace and blew past the U.S. like a motorboat passed driftwood.

Patents don't protect anything. They give a legal standing to sue on.

No kidding, I was pointing this out to you from the beginning, remember?

The Chinese (with or without the CCP) do not respect rule of law, so "IP ownership" the way you talk about it is meaningless.

Yeah I know, I already pointed this out to you. "possession is 9/10's". Ring a bell?

The Power/Sparc cores don't give them anything they couldn't have already stolen from ARM.

Why are you equating stealing something to being legally given it for free? That's not reality, is it? Especially when China is part of the WTO, and obligated to respect IP as rights to membership. There's a HUGE difference in between having to steal something, and having them hand it to you on a silver platter. In fact, they're practical polar opposites.

IBM and Sun's decisions are capitulation to having lost in the marketplace.

Power hasn't lost in the marketplace, by a long shot. Ever heard of an XBOX 360 or Playstation 3? Power chips are dominating that market. Power chips are running the current Apple computers, are you calling that junk? How about the IBM pro workstations and servers running power? Worthless? Hardly. But yet they give the rights to the designs away for free.

name a single product/environment that the Chinese have innovated and dumped on the market

This is your best argument, but as I keep pointing out it's quickly becoming obsolete since we give them our latest designs for free. Why are we doing this? What are the advantages, if you want to maintain your competitive advantage, to give your protective copyright on the resultant works away for free? I can tell you why. Because it's not worth anything to them at any higher price.

Yet you think they've "blown past" America in technology. Sorry. Not true.

They have in capacity, without a doubt, and will only leave us farther behind. You've already stated you think the jobs at Walmart are better for the U.S. than jobs building things, but even that's a dead end when you don't have any shoppers at Walmart. And why will there be any shoppers, when they've given their designs, which is all they had left, away for free?

78 posted on 12/16/2005 4:19:05 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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