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To: jwalsh07
Now stop the nonsense.

So you agree, given definition 2, there is no problem with the idea of reciprocal altruism?

Now, given that we need to keep tabs on the behavior of others in order to be able to engage in reciprocal altruism without being continually cheated; and we need to be able to convince others we ourselves should be trusted, what is the problem with the idea that we should have evolved innate senses of cheating, fairness, trustworthiness, shame, and loyalty? And, since the most important kind of reciprocal altruism is between a spouse and his/her partner, jealousy and fidelity?

I'm not claiming these supersede, or are alternatives to, those we may add or justify using a system of ethics; just that we should recognize what we all start off with as human beings.

730 posted on 12/13/2005 3:45:43 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

Now, given that we need to keep tabs on the behavior of others in order to be able to engage in reciprocal altruism without being continually cheated;

LOL. Kind of sums up what some people preoccupy themselves with.

758 posted on 12/13/2005 5:04:52 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Right Wing Professor
So you agree, given definition 2, there is no problem with the idea of reciprocal altruism?

LOL, hardly.

Now, given that we need to keep tabs on the behavior of others in order to be able to engage in reciprocal altruism without being continually cheated; and we need to be able to convince others we ourselves should be trusted, what is the problem with the idea that we should have evolved innate senses of cheating, fairness, trustworthiness, shame, and loyalty? And, since the most important kind of reciprocal altruism is between a spouse and his/her partner, jealousy and fidelity?

You don't get it yet Professor. The essence of altruism is selflessness, even to the point of being "harmful to itself" (see defintion #2). Reciprocity, you scratch my back if I scratch yours, is the antithesis of altruism hence the term "reciprocal altruism" is sociobabble.

I'm not claiming these supersede, or are alternatives to, those we may add or justify using a system of ethics; just that we should recognize what we all start off with as human beings.

Phew, I thought I lost you there for a while. Welcome back!

1,017 posted on 12/14/2005 2:31:03 PM PST by jwalsh07
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