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To: Right Wing Professor
Thank you for your reply!

So there is no specific reference to Herod the Great, other than a reference to the reign of the Maccabis as 'the great horn'? That's hardly very compelling, is it?

LOLOLOL! That was the point of our little exercise in ancient manuscripts.

The entire reason the book was dated after 37 B.C. was because the scholars presumed that prophesy is impossible, i.e. mentioning the end of the Maccabee reign would date the manuscript after 37 B.C., the rise of Herod the Great. Subsequent carbon-dating set the Qumran copy's date as far back as 186 B.C. (before Herod the Great and before the Maccabees as well).

They were wrong because they made a naturalistic presumption going into the investigation.

Now, the translators must look at the same passage as either a prophesy fulfilled or an accidentally accurate statement or metaphor made at least a century and a half earlier. The part about the "great horn" is in context with a full review or preview of Jewish history spanning two chapters, 89 and 90.

716 posted on 12/13/2005 2:53:51 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
The entire reason the book was dated after 37 B.C. was because the scholars presumed that prophesy is impossible, i.e. mentioning the end of the Maccabee reign would date the manuscript after 37 B.C., the rise of Herod the Great. Subsequent carbon-dating set the Qumran copy's date as far back as 186 B.C. (before Herod the Great and before the Maccabees as well).

Actually, based on my brief reading, there was argument about this even before the carbon dating.

It does seem, though, that any inferences they made based on a very stretched reading of the manuscript were questionable to start with. Based on a quick reading of 89 and 90, and the history of the Jews in the Maccabean period, I don't see much relationship between the two.

731 posted on 12/13/2005 3:52:17 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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