Posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by Coop
Well that's not exactly true is it?
Your post in #112
If you REALLY want to go back to democracy's roots, bill, you need to go all the way back to creation, when God made the first man and woman with the desire in their hearts to be free
A clear attempt to tie 'the desire in their hearts to be free' to 'democracy's roots'. As if one cannot be free except through democracy
The root of democracy is a God-given desire for freedom that was in the hearts of our Founders ('.....the Laws of Nature and Nature's God').
That is not even close to saying that the Bible teaches democracy, or any other form of government.
You're smarter than that. You're arguing a point I did not make..........and I believe you know it.
One cannot be truly free other than through Jesus Christ. It is clear that many of those on this forum who are the Constitution's strongest supporters are enslaved to their political ideology and filled with anger, and do not experience true freedom.
I see it every day. Democracy and freedom are not one and the same thing, but democracy (more accurately, a representative republic) is the system of government that grants us the most freedom to find the real thing......
Instead, you should be thanking our Heavenly Father for victory at the Battle of Tours (often called the Battle of Poitiers, but not to be confused with the Battle of Poitiers, 1356). It was fought on October 10, 732 between forces under the Frankish leader Charles Martel and an Islamic army led by Emir Abd al Rahman, near the city of Tours, France. During the battle, the Franks defeated the Islamic army and Emir Abd er Rahman was killed. This battle stopped the northward advance of Islam from the Iberian peninsula, and is considered by most historians to be of macrohistorical importance, in that it may have halted the invasion of Europe by Muslims, and preserved Christianity as the controlling faith, during a period in which Islam was overrunning the remains of the old Roman and Persian Empires. Otherwise, you'd probably be wearing a Burka now and denied any access to the education you have enjoyed...prominent Islamic philsophers my Aunt Fanny!
But none of it changes the fact that there were Islamic philosophers that you didn't know, and arrogantly claimed didn't exist.
So I would be very careful about making fun of others out of your own ignorance in the future.
(Or posting frilly panties and quoting Molly Ivans, Terry McCauliffe and Michael Moore and thinking you're cool by doing so.....)
You're not as smart OR cool as you think you are, meandog. And you don't do a very good job of hiding it.......
"Really. The French gave support almost from the start."
In nowhere near the level of support our military has given Iraq.
To suggest otherwise is insulting to our patriotic ancestors and our men/women in the military today.
Too bad he's not even close to being a conservative. If he were, I might share your admiration for him in the present.
Now was there a point to that, Molly?
What's not conservative about being pro-life, pro-military (advocates even more strength in numbers in Gulf theater than "W" because he feels it necessary to win the war), anti-high tax and spending, a balanced budget deficit hawk? The only 2 things I fault him on is a mediocre stand on illegal immigration (like Bush, I understand that he's playing to a Hispanic constituency that elected him) and his patently wrong stand on limiting 2nd amendment freedoms (so-called assault rifles).
The Arabic peoples are descendants of Abraham's son, Ishmael. There is a very distinct peophesy regarding his descendants in Genesis 16:12, "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him: and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."
Not Condolisa Rice, the State Department, nor the entire might of the US Armed Forces can change that prophesy. The nature of the descendants of Ishmael will remain the same until Abraham's God, in the Person of Jesus Christ, returns to rule from David's Throne.
That does not mean that every single individual descendant of Ishmael will continue the "hand against every man" life-style. Those who come under the restraints of a more ordered society around them, must conform to a degree. And of course, those Arabs (we know some) who come to know the falacy of Islam, and repent toward (Abraham's) God and place their faith in His Son for His Redemption are given a new nature.
The prophesy also does not mean we are looking for any possible excuse to be at war with them...but we shall not have to go looking either. Christians are never instructed to make converts under threat of arms. We are to present the Gospel of Christ to ALL men, Islamists included, and pray for their understanding, their repentance, and their faith in Christ, as the Holy Spirit of God convicts them. As long as the descendants of Ishamael adhere to Islam, they will be against the Jews and against the Christians. Missionaries to Muslim countries have always been at great risk of their life to preach the Cross of Christ to Muslims.
NO diplomacy will change Ishmael's nature. And no constitution suited to a Christian people will be long adhered to by the sons of Ishmael.
I realize you would like to witness the success of President Bush and his objectives in Iraq. So would I. But if you are young enough to live another 50 years, you will die witnessing the ongoing reality of the prophesy of Genesis 16:12.
The only answer for the individual Islamist is repentance from Islam to Christ, and the only answer, ultimately, for the currently Islamist nations (that is, as nations), is the return of the King of Kings...Who will sweep away Islam altogether.
The radicals have his effigy ready, no doubt.
That is, both the Islamists and the Libs. . .
Ahmadinejad has the 'prime time' slot. . .and Lib excitement is palpable. . .
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