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To: Your Nightmare
Just when I thought that the opposition couldn't get any sillier, we have this article full of half-lies (when they aren't outright full lies) and double-speak that fails to raise a single valid objection against the NRST as proposed.

Lie #1: taxes would be voluntary under the FairTax

Absolutely correct, and not a lie at all. If you refrain from purchasing taxable services or new goods, you avoid the tax. Unlike some people's preferred plans, the individual has first claim on his own money, and gets the choice of when to subject himself to taxes. Certainly, in modern society, there is no way to completely avoid taxable activity under an NRST, but the FCA offsets this as one of its many functions.

Lie #2:the FairTax rate would be 23 percent

Ah, the old tax-inclusive vs. tax-exclusive calculation as a "lie" canard. The rate is expressed, as has been pointed out repeatedly, to allow for head-to-head comparisons with income and payroll taxes. Detractions use tax-exclusive to make the NRST seem higher, in comparison to other taxes, than it is. Of course, if the Bush tax cuts are made permanent, the author is correct that 23% is wrong -- it would be more like 19.1% inclusive (23.76% exclusive).

Lie #3: the FairTax would abolish the IRS

As we know it, it would. Would there be another or transformed agency? Yes. Would it have the power to audit individuals? No, unless they were operating a business. The primary job of the federal agency would be to coordinate tax collections from the administering states.

Problem #1:The FairTax hides the amount of sales tax being paid.

It is required to be itemized on the receipt. How can that be hidden?

Problem #2:The FairTax is progressive

A half-truth here... the effective tax rate is progressive, but the marginal tax rate is flat. Progressivity is a political necessity, and in fact works as a much simpler scheme than exempting crtain items from taxation. This, of course, ties back to the author's concern over "Lie #1" -- can't have it both ways.

Problem #3: The FairTax is an income redistribution scheme

This is just a blatant misrepresentation of the FCA, which is essentially the same as the personal deduction / standard exemptions of the income tax. Does the author point that out? No -- he fallaciously likens it to the EITC, which is an income-redistribution scheme only available to certain people, whereas the FCA is broadly available to all.

Problem #4:The FairTax creates new tax collectors

All of these people were "tax collectors" before, they were just doing so via the guise of income taxes. If anything, the NRST would reduce the number of "tax collectors" by about 90% by removing most individuals (who are not self-employed) from the "tax collectors" pool. The "teenage baby sitter" example is likewise laughable -- if this babysitter is getting enough payment from you to qualify as a business needing to collect and remit sales taxes, then he or she is already required to file income taxes.

Problem #5:The FairTax creates new taxes

Again, all of these items are already subject to taxes via income and payroll taxes today.

Problem #6: The FairTax creates new taxpayers

Complete fallacy. With more disposable pre-tax income, non-profits will likely benefit from more donations. And those purchases are already subjected to taxes today, as pointed out in previous items.

Problem #7: The FairTax makes it easier for the federal government to raise taxes

The author thinks its easier for Congress to raise the taxes on everybody than it is for them to tinker with the tax code to "soak the rich"? What universe is he living in. (Although by this point, we have established that he is living in a fantasy land.)

Problem #8: The FairTax makes it easier for state governments to raise taxes

Same argument as above, and false for the same reasons. Also, states that piggy-back off of the federal income tax for their collections will have to rethink income taxes altogether.

Problem #9: The FairTax has unknown and potentially huge transition costs

Hey, I agree with the author on something! (Broken clock principle, I guess.) Anyone who has seen my posting history knows that transition concerns me, but that I think the risk is acceptable for the benefits.

Problem #10:The FairTax makes certain exceptions while supposedly having none

The "exceptions" are specifically classified as investments.

Problem #11: The FairTax has great potential for fraud

No more so than any other tax system.

Problem #12:The FairTax has the potential to turn thousands of law-abiding Americans into criminals

The author hasn't read the bill. Such small-scale activity does not need to file if the tax due would be less than the minimum credit to the collecting business.

Problem #13: The FairTax does not repeal the Sixteenth Amendment

Legislation and Constitutional amendments are separate animals. Nonetheless, if the author is so worried, then why isn't he clamoring for an Amendment to make federal sales taxes illegal as long as we have an income tax?

Problem #14: The FairTax does not eliminate all federal taxes

I too would like to see excise taxes included as well.

Problem #15: The FairTax is not at all about lowering the amount of taxes the government collects

It was designed as revenue-neutral to meet requirements (at the time) that any replacement tax be, *gasp*, revenue-neutral. The NRST also doesn't reform Social Security, enforce our borders more effectively, or put Howard Dean on trial for treason. It's a tax bill, not a spending bill or any other type of authorization. Judge it on what it is, not what you want it to be.

Problem #16: The FairTax doesn't even begin to address the root of the problem

This goes back to the first claim on people's own production, a point the author has completely missed before, and does so again. It's also basically just a re-wording of his "Problem #15" and therefore wrong for the same reasons.

Problem #17: The FairTax makes welfare universal

By this definition, anyone who has ever taken a personal exemption, standard deduction, or itemized deduction from their income tax is also on welfare. The author repeatedly mischaracterizes the FCA to meet his pre-conceived incorrect assertions.

The Fraud of the FairTax

The only fraud here is this article posing as any serious critique of the NRST bill.

86 posted on 12/12/2005 8:54:41 AM PST by kevkrom ("Zero-sum games are transactions mostly initiated by thieves and governments." - Walter Williams)
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To: kevkrom

Lie #1: taxes would be voluntary under the FairTax

Absolutely correct, and not a lie at all. If you refrain from purchasing taxable services or new goods, you avoid the tax. Unlike some people's preferred plans, the individual has first claim on his own money, and gets the choice of when to subject himself to taxes. Certainly, in modern society, there is no way to completely avoid taxable activity under an NRST, but the FCA offsets this as one of its many functions.

If the FairTax is voluntary, then all taxes are voluntary. Don't like income taxes? Don't generate income. Don't like wage taxes? Don't earn wages. Don't like gas taxes? Don't buy gas. See - totally voluntary. Only the FairTax crowd could claim that a sales tax on all new goods and every service is a "voluntary" tax. Really, it's absurd. The FairTax even taxes health care. Are we not to consume health care if we don't want to pay the FairTax?

 

Lie #2:the FairTax rate would be 23 percent

Ah, the old tax-inclusive vs. tax-exclusive calculation as a "lie" canard. The rate is expressed, as has been pointed out repeatedly, to allow for head-to-head comparisons with income and payroll taxes. Detractions use tax-exclusive to make the NRST seem higher, in comparison to other taxes, than it is. Of course, if the Bush tax cuts are made permanent, the author is correct that 23% is wrong -- it would be more like 19.1% inclusive (23.76% exclusive).

Right. And that's why when it's not being compared to the income or payroll taxes it is still expressed in inclusive terms and rarely do FairTax supporters even specify that the 23% they are using is the inclusive rate. If someone makes the logical assumption that the 23% is the exclusive rate? "Oh well. We can't help that! }wink{ }wink{"

 

Lie #3: the FairTax would abolish the IRS

As we know it, it would. Would there be another or transformed agency? Yes. Would it have the power to audit individuals? No, unless they were operating a business. The primary job of the federal agency would be to coordinate tax collections from the administering states.

Uh, the government would have the power to audit individuals under the FairTax. The FairTax gives the government the power to audit people liable to remit the sales tax and there is at least one case where the individual is required to remit the sales tax (imports), therefore, the government would have the power to audit individuals.

 

Problem #1:The FairTax hides the amount of sales tax being paid.

It is required to be itemized on the receipt. How can that be hidden?

This is really more about Boortz's erroneous idea that prices would be listed with the FairTax included. They wouldn't because they couldn't unless the state sales taxes were applied to the FairTax (he actually does claim that states sales taxes would be applied to the FairTax).

 

Problem #2:The FairTax is progressive

A half-truth here... the effective tax rate is progressive, but the marginal tax rate is flat. Progressivity is a political necessity, and in fact works as a much simpler scheme than exempting crtain items from taxation. This, of course, ties back to the author's concern over "Lie #1" -- can't have it both ways.

So which is it? Is it progressive or not? You can't have it both ways.

 

Problem #3: The FairTax is an income redistribution scheme

This is just a blatant misrepresentation of the FCA, which is essentially the same as the personal deduction / standard exemptions of the income tax. Does the author point that out? No -- he fallaciously likens it to the EITC, which is an income-redistribution scheme only available to certain people, whereas the FCA is broadly available to all.

The FCA is much more like the EITC than the personal deduction / standard exemptions of the income tax. The FCA is a credit that allows for negative tax rates -- the personal deduction / standard exemptions of the income tax (or the Flat Tax) don't. With the FCA, income would be going from the upper class to the lower class. This is undeniable. And this is income redistribution.

 

Problem #4:The FairTax creates new tax collectors

All of these people were "tax collectors" before, they were just doing so via the guise of income taxes. If anything, the NRST would reduce the number of "tax collectors" by about 90% by removing most individuals (who are not self-employed) from the "tax collectors" pool. The "teenage baby sitter" example is likewise laughable -- if this babysitter is getting enough payment from you to qualify as a business needing to collect and remit sales taxes, then he or she is already required to file income taxes.

You don't see any difference between withholding payroll/income tax vs collecting sales taxes?

 

Problem #5:The FairTax creates new taxes

Again, all of these items are already subject to taxes via income and payroll taxes today.

Heart surgeries are subject to federal taxes? Wow. Who knew? Of course the surgeon is liable for personal income taxes, but that's not the same thing, is it?

 

Problem #6: The FairTax creates new taxpayers

Complete fallacy. With more disposable pre-tax income, non-profits will likely benefit from more donations. And those purchases are already subjected to taxes today, as pointed out in previous items.

They will need more donations because they will be paying the FairTax on the majority of their purchases. If you think charities would prefer the FairTax over the current system you are nuts.

 

Problem #7: The FairTax makes it easier for the federal government to raise taxes

The author thinks its easier for Congress to raise the taxes on everybody than it is for them to tinker with the tax code to "soak the rich"? What universe is he living in. (Although by this point, we have established that he is living in a fantasy land.)

The author was stating that people wouldn't notice a slight change in the tax rate. It would just be a penny here and a penny there. The rate would, by law, be changing every year anyway -- it would be very easy to sneak a few basis points increase into the yearly change. And since you geniuses just had to use the inclusive rate, a change in the rate is actually smaller as a percentage than the nominal taxes being increased (e.g., a 10% increase in the rate would be a greater than 13% increase in the amount of taxes collected).

 

Problem #8: The FairTax makes it easier for state governments to raise taxes

Same argument as above, and false for the same reasons. Also, states that piggy-back off of the federal income tax for their collections will have to rethink income taxes altogether.

Same failed argument as above.

 

Problem #9: The FairTax has unknown and potentially huge transition costs

Hey, I agree with the author on something! (Broken clock principle, I guess.) Anyone who has seen my posting history knows that transition concerns me, but that I think the risk is acceptable for the benefits.

Sure, lets risk our economy on the fantasies of the FairTaxers.

 

Problem #10:The FairTax makes certain exceptions while supposedly having none

The "exceptions" are specifically classified as investments.

So if we can get something classified as an "investment" then we can get it exempt (like education). Cool. FYI, the National Association of Realtors claim that the purchase of a home is not consumption, it's an investment. You could make that claim about anything that appreciated in value or whose depreciation rate was less than it's implied rental value.

 

Problem #11: The FairTax has great potential for fraud

No more so than any other tax system.

Well, golly. If you say so.

 

Problem #12:The FairTax has the potential to turn thousands of law-abiding Americans into criminals

The author hasn't read the bill. Such small-scale activity does not need to file if the tax due would be less than the minimum credit to the collecting business.

So we have another exemption. Whoop!

 

Problem #13: The FairTax does not repeal the Sixteenth Amendment

Legislation and Constitutional amendments are separate animals. Nonetheless, if the author is so worried, then why isn't he clamoring for an Amendment to make federal sales taxes illegal as long as we have an income tax?

Who says legislation can't be contingent on the passage of a constitutional amendment?

 

Problem #14: The FairTax does not eliminate all federal taxes

I too would like to see excise taxes included as well.

In the mean time, you seem to be OK with having the FairTax applied to excise taxes. That's what's called "double taxation."

 

Problem #15: The FairTax is not at all about lowering the amount of taxes the government collects

It was designed as revenue-neutral to meet requirements (at the time) that any replacement tax be, *gasp*, revenue-neutral. The NRST also doesn't reform Social Security, enforce our borders more effectively, or put Howard Dean on trial for treason. It's a tax bill, not a spending bill or any other type of authorization. Judge it on what it is, not what you want it to be.

Actually, it's not revenue neutral at 29.87% (exclusive). And it was designed to require more revenue than is currently collected. The FCA is a new $400 billion+ entitlement program that must be funded. And you said it wasn't a spending bill...

 

Problem #16: The FairTax doesn't even begin to address the root of the problem

This goes back to the first claim on people's own production, a point the author has completely missed before, and does so again. It's also basically just a re-wording of his "Problem #15" and therefore wrong for the same reasons.

You didn't show his Problem #15 to be wrong so this point is useless for the same reasons.

 

Problem #17: The FairTax makes welfare universal

By this definition, anyone who has ever taken a personal exemption, standard deduction, or itemized deduction from their income tax is also on welfare. The author repeatedly mischaracterizes the FCA to meet his pre-conceived incorrect assertions.

Uh, no. As I stated previously, the personal exemption, standard deduction, and itemized deductions don't allow for negative tax rates. The FCA does. It's a completely different beast.

 

The Fraud of the FairTax

The only fraud here is this article posing as any serious critique of the NRST bill.

Of course. Because any criticism of the FairTax can't possibly be serious. The FairTax is flawless.

88 posted on 12/12/2005 10:08:22 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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