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To: nopardons

I don't like your answer to the tax problem and it isn't selling to the majority of the populace, either.

I'm sure it doesn't sit well with those that don't perceive they are paying taxes now.

 

"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does — and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see — and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government."

. . .

"The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system."

"In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they won‘t, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation."

- KEYES TRANSCRIPT (01/28/02)

 

 

What I said isn't "foundationless";

What foundation have you offered other than pure personal opinion? I seem to have missed it somewhere along the line.

 

you just can't answer my questions and neither can any proponent of the FT.

Each question was answered in turn, whether or not you personally get a warm fuzzy from the the information provided is irrelevant. The knowledge should be unsettling to your obvious preconception of how the world operates.

 

All you do is post reams of CCPed gobbledegook.

I see, referenced and cited material that provides underlying understanding and knowledge is "gobbledegook". An interesting characterization but rather worthless in debate or explaining much of anything.

 

With tons of prebacks, there won't be any less numbers of people not paying anything and getting other people's money and I can see all kinds of ways to get around the FT, without 1/2 trying to.

Then you won't need to worry about paying it then.

If you want to "get around" a retail sales tax, it's simple enough. Invest and save your money and don't buy new stuff. Just grow your own. Sounds like a good plan to me.

 

Taxes & Government Spending:

 

Your problem with placing the basis of income back into the hands and control of the American citizen who is to pay a federal tax is?

120 posted on 12/13/2005 9:19:48 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: ancient_geezer
I pay taxes ( a whopping amount now ), so attempting to insinuate I don't is baseless.

But the FT doesn't sit well with me, for many reasons; not the least of which is that what you and the other proponents of it, is ludicrous. And making everyone who sells anything, an arm of the Federal Government, without pay, isn't going to sit well with them either. Or, is the government going to pay companies/people for being tax collectors? If that is so, then that's a terrible thing!

Quoting Alan Keyes makes your "refutation" even less palatable, but also gives me and many others even more reason to be against the FT!

Grow my own shoes? Grow my own pots and pans? Grow my own books? Oh wait, I don't have to do that, since I collect first editions and there won't be a tax on "used" books, even though the ones I buy are worth a fortune.

And that's precisely what I was getting at. Those who can afford expensive things will not pay tax on the antiques they buy, while those who have no interest in such things or can't afford them, will pay more than they do now. Or will the prebacks cover enough things, so that many more people won't pay any tax at all? And that means that some people ( and not those you are so giddy about ) will bear the brunt of this taxation.

Your problem is that you can't answer a simple question on your own, but just CCP vast swaths of nonsense that others have said, which doesn't answer a single query of mine. Oh, it may look pretty good to you; however, this facile quote dumping answers nothing at all.

122 posted on 12/13/2005 9:39:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ancient_geezer

You'd make more progress talking to a stump.


124 posted on 12/13/2005 9:44:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance (I support the FairTax for the sake of my children and grandchildren...)
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To: ancient_geezer
If you want to "get around" a retail sales tax, it's simple enough. Invest and save your money and don't buy new stuff. Just grow your own. Sounds like a good plan to me.

Or sit on your butt, collect a prebate check each month, invest and save your money and don't buy new stuff.

Sounds like bringing back welfare to me, especially since you get more money per new household member.

125 posted on 12/13/2005 9:44:44 PM PST by LWalk18
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