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To: ancient_geezer
You're telling my that new products, bought by companies, are exempt from the VAT/"fair tax"? WHY? Shouldn't they be paying their FAIR TAX too? If not, then how is it "fair"?

And why do you believe that the "fair tax" wouldn't be added to the things you now claim are exempt?

I can go on and on....why haven't you thought of these queries before? :-)

101 posted on 12/13/2005 5:25:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

You're telling my that new products, bought by companies, are exempt from the VAT/"fair tax"?

Anything included in the production of a product.

WHY?

Every penny a company spends or is taxed it puts into its products or reduces the wages of its employees. Businesses can only act as tax collectors for government, they cannot pay a tax without first aquiring the revenues to do so from the consumer/employee. All that accomplishes is to hide the real tax burden from the citizen who pays the butcher's bill and to home government must be accountable.

Shouldn't they be paying their FAIR TAX too? If not, then how is it "fair"?

A business is a tool, not a human being or citizen. It cannot pay a tax it can only collect and remit taxes from real people and hand them to government out of sight of the person who always bears the ultimate burden, the individual citizen.

The citizen should always be aware of the full burden impressed upon him by governement, hiding taxation behind a corporate veil in higher prices and lower wages, is merely playing a very cynical shell game of hide the tax from the voter.

Businesses are not citizens that can vote. Individuals only, hold that power. Only citizens can be said to be able to hold the government accountable through a knowledgible exercise of his voting francise. Businesses have no such capacity or responsibility to hold government in check.

To tax a business is to tax a citizen in his character as a wage earner and consumer. Thus business level taxes are really nothing more than a shell game to avoid the glare of the real costs of government from ever being realized by the majority of citizens who ultimately pay the real bill.

The individual income tax return that captures everyone's attention each April, is nothing more an accounting sheet the government cons individuals, held at ransom, into filling out. It puts a blinder on the eyes of the voter, and totally distorts their perceptions as to the real impact of taxation in their lives.

"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does — and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see — and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government."

. . .

"The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system."

"In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they won‘t, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation."

- KEYES TRANSCRIPT (01/28/02)

 

To remove perception of the tax burdens of the individual, is to remove the goad which assures accountability of government to the electorate. Federal tax rates are high and government grows ever larger because a majority of the electorate do not perceive proportionately the burden their demand for largesse imposes on the minority of citizens.

The siren call for representation without taxation is the formula that got us where we are at today. The ability to hide or disguise taxation from the view of large sectors of the electorate allows the Congress to get away with the creation of the evergrowing monster that it fosters.

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-George Bernard Shaw

Liberty and freedom have a price, responsibility. If the perception of burden laid by government is interfered with or avoided there are no brakes on the growth of government, the ultimate result is the end of freedom through creeping socialism.

Right now the bottom 60% perceive little to no "Individual Income Tax" burden,(in many cases even a handout) and 70% of the voting public clamor for more from government looking for the top 40% of income earners/producers to foot the bill. That perception continues to grow ever stronger by eliminating even more participants from the Federal Individual Income Tax rolls as proposed in the tax reduction proposals through changes in personal exemption limits and other mechanisms such as the EITC.

Bush touts relief as tax day looms

Another 3.9 million Americans will have their income tax liability completely eliminated, officials said.

That's 3.9 million Americans more added to the spending constituency of 70% of the public clamoring for more from government, figuring someone else foots the bill.

103 posted on 12/13/2005 6:24:26 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: nopardons

And why do you believe that the "fair tax" wouldn't be added to the things you now claim are exempt?

What is exempt? the tax is being collected on the end product of all production. Established that way under the legislation proposed, I suggest you read it.

Once business is free of the tax burdens and costs and requirements of reporting income related data to govenment you figure they will quietly submit to being taxed again in the manner they are today. Think again.

I can go on and on....why haven't you thought of these queries before? :-)

I'm sure you could, fortunately your queries have already been vetted repeatedly over the last decade in addressing these issues from others. Now why are you just spouting old queries that have been dealt with in extreme detail literally hundreds of times in the past?

Can't you at least come up with something original?

104 posted on 12/13/2005 6:31:34 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: nopardons

The things you are posing sound very foolish and illustrate you have done no looking into the FairTax. Companies that are not selling at retail will have no FairTax to pay.

Also, there is a difference between making a specific exemption to the law and having things that are not taxed by it initially. It sounds as though you're trying to make the argument that exemptions can be added freely as time goes on. That is less likely than you imagine since any exemption raises the tax burden on everyone else and if you think that "everyone else" is going to agree to some sort of widespread wholesale additions of exemptions I believe you're gravely in error as your tax burden would be affected as would mine and all other voters. Shame on us!!


194 posted on 12/14/2005 1:51:59 PM PST by pigdog
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