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M-1s Finally Get Their Shotgun Shell
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20051211.aspx ^ | December 11, 2005

Posted on 12/11/2005 12:57:12 PM PST by strategofr

The M-1 tank has finally, oficially, gotten its M1028 "shotgun shell" for its 120mm gun. This is for use against hostile infantry. The XM1028 shell holds 1100 10mm tungsten balls that are propelled out of the gun barrel and begin to disperse. The tungsten projectiles are lethal at up to 700 meters. The official requirement of the XM1028 is to kill or disable more than 50 percent of a 10 man squad with 1 shot and do the same to a 30 man platoon with 2 shots.

Production of the shell began in 2002, with plans for up to 30,000 shells (costing over $3,000 each) being produced. After initial production of some 2,000 shells, another 3,000 were to be built in 2004 and 5,000 in the year after that. But numerous delays over effectiveness, safety and reliability issues, delayed official introduction until now.

Only small numbers of M1028 shells were shipped to Iraq since the round first became available in 2003. In the meantime, army and marine tank crews were getting more and more vocal in their displeasure at the leisurely pace of M1028 development. In terms of technology, there’s nothing particularly special about it. Similar shells have been in service for decades. In Iraq, M-1 tank crews want a “shotgun” type shell to deal with groups of hostile Iraqis, especially at night when the Iraqis still don't realize that the thermal sight on the M-1 makes people clearly visible at night to the gunner, especially if they are carrying AK-47s or RPG launchers.

The Iraqis still tend to bunch up, which allows one XM1028 round to wipe out entire teams of hostile fighters. The M-1 using the XM1028 shell is the world's largest shotgun, and makes tanks much more effective in urban combat. The 10mm projectiles are also effective against vehicles and lightly built structures. Israel has been using a similar round for years, making American tank crews even more impatient about when they would get an American made version.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Technical; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; m1028; m1tank; wiffofgrape
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1 posted on 12/11/2005 12:57:13 PM PST by strategofr
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To: strategofr

Ouch!


2 posted on 12/11/2005 12:58:31 PM PST by RTINSC (Being Offended is the Natural Consequence of Leaving Your Home...)
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To: strategofr

Probably better than using HE to eliminate the enemy patrol.


3 posted on 12/11/2005 12:59:41 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: strategofr
Wabbit season!


4 posted on 12/11/2005 12:59:53 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: strategofr

[cue Junior Walker and the All-Stars]

"SHOTGUN!!!! Shoot 'em 'fore they run, now..."


5 posted on 12/11/2005 1:01:20 PM PST by RichInOC (DESTRUCTION ARE ON THE WAY TO YOU.)
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To: strategofr

W is really, really dense - kinda like 'Rats.


6 posted on 12/11/2005 1:01:21 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: strategofr

The DemocRATS and their "human rights" pals aren't going to be happy about this. Oh well. They'll get over it.


7 posted on 12/11/2005 1:03:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: strategofr

I don't see any reason for a development delay at all. Nearly every artillery piece deployed at or near the front lines has had a case-shot or grape-shot round for centuries.

Why tungsten shot? What's wrong with lead or iron shot? I don't see that tungsten would make such a round any more effective, just much more expensive.


8 posted on 12/11/2005 1:03:19 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: strategofr
1100 10mm tungsten balls

So why tungsten? Why not just lead, or iron? And why three grand each? How does that compare to a standard HE round?

Anybody?

9 posted on 12/11/2005 1:04:11 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: strategofr

Well, it is a smooth bore. It's about time.


10 posted on 12/11/2005 1:04:42 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: jimtorr
It's much lighter. The loader in the tank will appreciate that.

L

11 posted on 12/11/2005 1:05:06 PM PST by Lurker ("Son, there's only two things you need in this world; love and a .45.")
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Additional comments:

Big boost to battlefield operations [tank-based "shotgun" round!]

12 posted on 12/11/2005 1:07:30 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: adamsjas
"So why tungsten? Why not just lead, or iron? And why three grand each? How does that compare to a standard HE round?

Tungsten was chosen for the balls because it's ballistic and penetration physics are better than lead or steel.

13 posted on 12/11/2005 1:09:00 PM PST by seadevil (...because you're a blithering idiot, that's why. Next question?)
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To: adamsjas

" So why tungsten? Why not just lead, or iron? And why three grand each? How does that compare to a standard HE round?"

I gotta wonder that myself. It's not like standard shotgun shells, which switched from lead to steel due to concerns over lead poisoning in waterfowl.

Tim


14 posted on 12/11/2005 1:10:00 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: strategofr
History has a way of using the tried and true:

Napoleon dispersed the mob with what he called “a whiff of grapeshot”—which killed about 100 insurgents


http://www.bartleby.com/65/na/Napoleon1.html
15 posted on 12/11/2005 1:11:00 PM PST by 76834 (There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
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To: strategofr

Great for duck hunting too!


16 posted on 12/11/2005 1:13:24 PM PST by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: 76834

Yeah, tungsten will penetrate armor. It has excellent ballistic properties.

It does cost a heck of a lot though :-(
And it is difficult to fabricate. :-(

I do know where there are some un-used scheelite and wolframite deposits though :-) Maybe I ought to go back into the mining business.


17 posted on 12/11/2005 1:16:38 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Darksheare

PING


18 posted on 12/11/2005 1:17:19 PM PST by Professional Engineer (They want legal status? How about "criminal".)
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To: jimtorr

I wonder how much heat is generated when one of those shells is fired? Tungsten has the highest melting point of all the metals and maybe 10mm-sized lead and iron pellets would melt. Just guessin'.


19 posted on 12/11/2005 1:18:36 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: strategofr

Sweet!


20 posted on 12/11/2005 1:18:38 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup (Johnson & Johnson = Bengals win!)
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