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To: katiebelle; Common Tator

Katie- I know CT is entirely able to defend his posts with no help from me, but I had to reply to you.

If Tookie had gotten clemency and he ran over to your house and killed your family, you would be calling him a piece of trash yourself.

All CT is saying is that there is still some justice in this world and Tookie got it. You seem to have a problem with other people being responsible for their own actions. Tookie was wicked, he knew he committed murder, and he did it 4 times. If he repented, it was not evident by his actions on earth.

One of the Best things about being a Christian is that we have grace (we don't get what we deserve), but to those who don't accept God's grace freely given, He gives justice. Tookie got justice, just what he deserved. May God have mercy on his soul.


185 posted on 12/15/2005 6:51:30 AM PST by GWfan
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To: GWfan
I give up. Please go back and read ALL of my posts! I have said several times that the man deserved exactly what he got. He is 100% responsible for his actions. They are his and his alone. He earned the death penalty by his actions. That was his choice. He can not lay the blame with anyone but himself. Can I say it any clearer? What else can I say for you to get that the death penalty is fair in his case and warranted and earned???? I agree his got what he deserved, he got what he deserved, he got what he deserved!!! Okay with that out of the way AGAIN...my only point has been this entire time that people in general not just Williams can do some evil things and still make good choices too. I hope that some good came from keeping the man alive on taxpayers money for over 20 years. I hope that his book made just one child or one family make better choices. My entire point has been that just because he made evil choices 20+ years ago that he might be capable even in prison to make a good choice now that could help just one soul. I only wanted to be open to the concept of hope. How in the world does that make me have a problem with other people being responsible for their actions. I feel like the whole time I have been trying to say that because people make bad choices doesn't mean it is the end of their story. They can own those and make better ones. If I have a problem at all it is that I don't think anyone is ever beyond hope. What if one person came forward and somehow something Williams said or did while serving the time(That he EARNED)made that persons life better would you dismiss it because it was the influence of Williams? I just don't believe that past sins delete or diminish future good works. Do those good works make up for past sins-no! Should we somehow overlook the murder of 4 people because well he just turned into a good guy? NO! NO! NO!(that is clear isn't it?) We all love to tell how we've changed and we are far better a person than the past and we expect everyone to pat us on the back. But when someone does something beyond our comprehension they can't possibly ever do a good thing again? Why is is so hard to grasp that just maybe we sinners can turn our lives around and influence people for the good? Did Williams? Again I will say it, we will probably never know. We will never know if he made his peace with God. Earthly actions are fruit of the spirit or lack thereof but you never really know what lies in the heart of man. My point still stands that good people make bad choices and bad people are capable of making good choices. They don't cancel each other out. They stand alone. We receive consequences fitting for both good and bad choices. By the way, CT said more than you give him credit for. He was just plain insulting.
186 posted on 12/15/2005 6:06:04 PM PST by katiebelle
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