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Workers Rally Against Delphi Wage Cuts
AP via Yahoo! ^ | December 11, 2005 | AP

Posted on 12/11/2005 11:18:40 AM PST by Brilliant

KOKOMO, Ind. (AP) -- At least a thousand people rallied in central Indiana against steep wage cuts proposed by auto parts manufacturer Delphi Corp., which has filed for bankruptcy protection.

Workers say the proposed cuts -- from $27 an hour to between $10 and $12.50 -- are unfair, especially as Delphi has given bonuses to managers and other executives. United Auto Workers officials have said a strike against Delphi appears increasingly likely.

"To the Delphi workers here and everyone else, there are 380,000 union workers in the state of Indiana who will march in this battle with you," said Indiana AFL-CIO President Ken Zeller. "You are not alone."

Workers carried signs that read, "Delphi cooks the books/Workers get BURNED."

Delphi spokesman Lindsey Williams declined comment.

One in three jobs in Kokomo is tied to manufacturing, and the Howard County community is poised to take a heavy blow as its two big employers -- Delphi and DaimlerChrysler -- eye layoffs or pay cuts.

Delphi has been operating under bankruptcy protection since October and is seeking to cut hourly workers' wages by more than 60 percent.

Based in Troy, Mich., Delphi has about 6,000 employees in Indiana, most of whom work at the company's Electronics & Safety Division headquartered in Kokomo.

The company was founded in 1999 as a spin-off from General Motors. With 185,000 workers worldwide, Delphi is the nation's largest auto supplier.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: aflcio; auto; bankruptcy; buisness; delphi; manufacturing; unions
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To: bella1
Are you from Michigan? There are UAW suppliers in northern Michigan whose employees will never see $27.00 an hour under any circumstance. These people feel no sympathy for their union "brothers and sisters" downstate.

Hmmm... are you promoting class warfare? Hmmm...,..
Delphi was a close part of GM family thus it's employees got wages more similar to GM workers

. Believe me, there will be a line of people a mile long willing to work at Delphi for $12 an hour, no doubt about it.

AND THAT'S A PLUS FOR AMERICA?? You seem happy about this

161 posted on 12/12/2005 6:41:12 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: All

To All:

Knock off the persoanl attacks

Thanks


162 posted on 12/12/2005 6:42:33 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Ninian Dryhope

I have both a bachelors and masters degree, which I have already stated repeatedly on this thread.


163 posted on 12/12/2005 7:01:40 AM PST by mysterio
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To: whoever
I don't understand why anyone would think that if the union workers strike the company will have to close.

They will just hire replacement workers for 12-14$ an hr. and the striking workers can stand outside in the cold, and you get no unemployment money if you are on strike.

Going on strike would be a stupid move for the workers, they would be 100% guaranteed to lose everything.
164 posted on 12/12/2005 7:09:14 AM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
You sound like a democrat

The classic line of a poster with no coherent argument. A democrat would want to directly tax businesses to redistribute the money to the poor as well as raise the minimum wage. I want the company to have to fulfill the legal contract it signed. See the difference?

And of course I want to see people make enough to not have to empower government by signing up for entitlement programs. What's "democrat" about that?

I suspect that you just hate unions and are glad to see these "lazy" workers lose their jobs. "Lazy" workers who don't get to sit around all day posting on political message boards instead of working, that is.
165 posted on 12/12/2005 7:09:56 AM PST by mysterio
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To: dennisw
Just reporting the facts from the front lines. GM wasn't referred to as "Generous Motors" for nothing. What will be good for America is if more Americans were willing to buy American made cars, but when quality and price drive the market elsewhere (an average $1500.00 per American made strictly to subsidize union benefits), you basically force the consumer to look elsewhere. Simple economics. And i don't say this as an outsider. My husband works in the auto industry, but reality is reality.
166 posted on 12/12/2005 7:11:04 AM PST by bella1
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To: dennisw

"Would you work for $12 an hour?"

I did hard labor for a lot less than $12 an hour or years, but I went to school at night while I worked during the day and got a couple of degrees, so that now I do not have to work for $12 and hour.

I did it, so can they.


167 posted on 12/12/2005 7:11:06 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: dennisw

"There are so many anti working class idiots here."

I am not anti working class. I am anti union.


168 posted on 12/12/2005 7:11:47 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Ninian Dryhope
Well, either you should have majored in engineering instead of social work, or you should have not spent so much money on those flashy cloths and cars, booze, and broads. No one respects a deadbeat.

You know nothing about me.
169 posted on 12/12/2005 7:11:59 AM PST by mysterio
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To: dennisw

"$12/hour for Delphi workers is not a plus for America."

$10 to $12/hour for unskilled Delphi workers is a big plus for America. It's a sign of failure of big unions and that is something worth gloating over. Unions are the main financial and manpower supporters of the democrat party, so the worse that unions and unions do, the better off the GOP and the nation is going to be. Fewer cowards and traitors in Congress and weaker traitor democrat Presidential candidates will be the result of weaker unions.


170 posted on 12/12/2005 7:17:37 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: mysterio
"I suspect that you just hate unions"

Hate is too strong of a word, but I strongly dislike unions. They are the main financial support of the democrat party, after all.
171 posted on 12/12/2005 7:21:37 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: mysterio
"I have both a bachelors and masters degree"

Right, with which you were unable to pay your bills, which you think is something go brag about.
172 posted on 12/12/2005 7:22:40 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: mysterio

"You know nothing about me."

I know that you claimed to not be able to pay your bills with a master degree.


173 posted on 12/12/2005 7:24:13 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Ninian Dryhope
I was unable to pay my bills starting out at 25. I was not "bragging" about that.

You really have no argument, do you? You just have anti-union talking points, and no real understanding of them. If someone posts an argument that your talking points don't address, you just ignore it and post a personal attack. It's amusing, but it does little to further your argument (or lack thereof.)
174 posted on 12/12/2005 7:32:56 AM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
The company agreed to pay wages that were non-sustainable. Now they are trying to get out of it. I don't know anyone that can take a 60% pay cut. The company reneged on its contract, so the workers are well within their rights to strike.


None of the post I read up to this point disputes their right to strike. What I think is being said, 'are they stupid or what?

The price a business can get for its product is not determined by the the seller, but by the buyer.

Regardless of what something cost to make, if it is priced more then a buyer is willing to pay, they will not by it.

A business then has to determine how to make their product for what a buyer is willing to pay. Cost of material is one way, quaility is another, labor is another.

If the business can not (or will not) lower cost, and attempts to sell their product for less then it cost to produce, there is only one result possible. When the capital runs out close the doors.

Labor in this case says, don't look to us to help you lower the cost of the product we make. Ok fine, but if it turns out there is no other place to cut, then in the end, the workers will instead of being employed at $12.00 an hour, will be unemployed at $27.00 an hour. A wage I dare them to find anywhere else.

So stike, but but don't get your panties in a knot when others laugh at you for being stupid.

175 posted on 12/12/2005 7:38:07 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: mysterio
I thought we all believed that hard work deserves to be rewarded ...


What forum have you been reading. I certainly do not belive that there is a promise that my hard work will be rewarded.

Compensation for any work performed is based on the value that work brings to the product. There is a further condition on just how many workers are available that can add that same value.

The more technical or knowledge required to perform a given task, the fewer workers there are to do it, the more valuable that labor is.

The less technical or amount of knowledge required means there is a larger pool of individuals available, the less value the labor is. This explains why a brain surgeon gets paid more then a counter person at McDonalds.

It has nothing to do with "how hard you work".

It is up to the individual to make themselves valuable to the business. There are no gurantees.

You want to earn a lot of money, get a skill that will be in demand. (But even this is not a gurantee, as the market can change at any point.)

Rule number 1, life is not fair.

Rule number 2, be prepared for when the bottom falls out.

176 posted on 12/12/2005 7:51:50 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CheyennePress

This company is in an existential fight for survival due to manaagement and labor...let those who wish to leave as those errors are faced go elsewhere.


177 posted on 12/12/2005 7:55:28 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: Ninian Dryhope
He is going on strike. WhyisaTexasgirlinPA unfair to phantomworker. He is going to complain to his union representative (moderator) since he is unable to discuss his opinions without representations

You nailed that one with a non-union hammer.

178 posted on 12/12/2005 8:08:08 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: mysterio

"You really have no argument, do you?"

I think I have done a much better job of making the case against unions than you have made the case for unions, but I could be a bit biased.


179 posted on 12/12/2005 8:12:19 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: mysterio

I agree. Your remarks are very clear, make a lot of sense and those that are disagreeing are just making personal attacks. People have been forming unions since hunters and gathers started living in groups for better survival. A family is a union. People that gather together in his Name are forming a union. The word "catholic" means universal. All the personal attacks sound like bigotry, imho. If anyone prefers to be a loner and not join a union, I respect their choice and by law they do have that choice.

I wonder if those union-haters consider that FR is a union of conservatives as well?


180 posted on 12/12/2005 8:32:46 AM PST by phantomworker (We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are.<==> Perception is everything.)
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