[Jimmy Valentine's brother]

Also this Article from the same bird cage wrapper
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120800686.html

Fonda's 'Winter' of Redemption
Friday, December 9, 2005; Page WE34

More than 30 years after it was made, the documentary "Winter Soldier" is finally getting its big-screen release in the United States. The movie, made by a team of filmmakers, is a stark recording of Vietnam War veterans' accounts of atrocities committed by American soldiers during the war. (See review on Page 28.)

In a hotel conference room in Detroit in early 1971, former soldiers and antiwar activists gathered for what was called the Winter Soldier Investigation, named after a line in a Thomas Paine poem. One of the original financial backers of the WSI and the subsequent film based on it was Jane Fonda, who in 1971 was already known for her role as "Barbarella" but was not yet being called "Hanoi Jane." In an e-mail interview, Fonda talked about what she hopes audiences will take from the film. "In my book [her memoir, 'My Life So Far'], I call the 'Winter Soldier' chapter 'Redemption,' because I feel that is what the WSI represented for those brave men. They were asking Americans to hear them in their collective truth-telling." Among the soldiers who testified were Scott Camil, Rusty Sachs and future senator John Kerry, all of whom were members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Fonda said "Winter Soldier" shows the psychological impact of the war on service personnel: "Starting with the Vietnam War we began training soldiers differently. In my book I talk about secret meetings I had with military psychologists who were really worried about what was happening to our combat personnel. 'We're turning them into killing machines,' one of them said to me. This began because the military discovered that in World War II and Korea, soldiers weren't killing enough (in their opinion), so they changed training procedures."

However, Fonda insists, "it's critical that we understand that the soldiers are not to blame. How they were trained, how their officers either gave the green light or turned a blind eye to what was happening on the ground is what matters. When you put young people into an atrocity-producing situation where enemy and civilian are commingled, where the 'other side' is dehumanized, we cannot be surprised by what these men report in the film."

Fonda insists, "We have not learned the lessons of Vietnam. The returned veterans tried valiantly to tell us what the lessons were, [but] most of us turned our backs. . . . Today the returning antiwar Iraq vets are being called 'unpatriotic.' We must listen to what they have to say."

"Winter Soldier" is at Landmark's E Street Cinema, 555 11th St. NW. Tickets are $6.75 and $9.50. Call 202-452-7672.

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[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

From Kerry's "The New Soldier":

Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time.
And those things happen."

Free online version of
hanoi kerry's playbook "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.

[RhoTheta]

Is anyone else as outraged as I continue to be by the hijacking of the language? These "Summer Soldiers" claim to be "Winter Soldiers." I have been reading McCullough's "1776," and other history books about the period. The Winter Soldiers are the ones that stuck around and went through the terrible privation, starvation, disease and cold to finally win the war. In sharp contrast are Kerry and his peculiar "band of brothers" who tried to stay away from the fighting, put in the minimum time, then come back to betray the real Winter Soldiers upholding the honor of America and its armed forces, and by calling themselves the Winter Soldiers, implying something else for the heroes that stayed and gave so much.

Disgusting!

[smoothsailing]

This crap was a lie then and now it's just an old lie.It's just more desperate leftist hate-America drool.

When it's nominated for a Grammy maybe Hollyweird will invite Hanoi John and Hanoi Jane to accept the award.They've always made such a perfect couple.

[Ciexyz]

The trouble is, back in 1972, as a student at Penn State, I read stuff like this on the Vietnam War and believed it. That was true brainwashing, along with Nixon is bad, Nixon should be impeached, Watergate is the worst constitutional crisis to hit America. This was what the MSM told us, and basically the students believed it.

[Doctor Raoul]

Somebody send the Washington Post a dictionary. "Lie" is not spelled "T-E-S-T-I-M-O-N-Y".

Bastards.

[sergeantdave]

I can't believe they're puking up this crap again.

You hippy goosesteppers best be very careful what you say to my face about our people doing their duty in Iraq.

[Zman516]

If slimey lefties like Ann Hornaday had listened to the Swift Boat Vets, they would know that this movie is crap.

[Mr. Silverback]

Fortunately, only art house patrons will see this...in other words, less than 1% of the population, and a demographic that wouldn't believe Vietnam was a noble fight if you put them in a time machine and let them watch it happening.