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To: RunningWolf
"What appeared to be a rocket" and "something they describe as a missile track" are two very different things. And frankly, to state that the pilots saw something "they describe as a missile track" is tantamount to lying. Especially considering their actual words have been recorded as "it looked more like a rocket" than a flare.

"The article also refer to TRACON radar sweeps. I think this is more than PASSUR system."

The article (written by Jack Cashill) says this..."The unidentified target appears for 12 to 13 sweeps of the FAA LAX TRACON radar rotating at a 4.7-second sweep rate." The problem with taking anything from WND or Jack Cashill is that they don't really have any idea what they are talking about. They have one objective, and that is to make money. The fact of the matter is, there is no "FAA LAX TRACON" radar. The TRACON for the LAX area is in Southern California (San Diego) and is known as SoCal. If Jack somehow got a copy of radar data from somewhere other than the PASSUR system, he sure isn't sharing his info. Neither is anyone else, as there is no mention of such radar data in any source I've seen.

"Is it routine for the FBI to give a statement in lieu of the pilots?"

The FBI conducted the investigation. Who else should release a statement regarding their investigation? Incidentally, American Airlines also released information on the incident. They reported the following...

- Flight #612 was at 13,000 feet altitude - 7-10 miles offshore.
- Cloud ceiling was at 4-5,000 feet (someone on the ground or on a boat wouldn't have been able to see the aircraft)
- Captain saw straight vertical rocket contrail up to about 6,000 feet
- Rocket was approximately 3-4 miles away from flight #612
- That equals a horizontal separation of about 4 miles and a vertical separation of well over a mile.
- The captain never used the word "missile" and never believed the aircraft was a target of the rocket.

"My point is we have have enough of a real world threat to civilian jet transports from MANPAD to not just dismiss speculation as tin foil kookery."

I agree, but it becomes tin foil kookery when people start making stuff up (literally) and attribute "damning evidence" to information that reveals nothing of the sort.

229 posted on 12/13/2005 2:18:46 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
I did not know the term missile as opposed to rocket would be such a loaded thing here.

If by the difference of rocket to missile you mean unguided as opposed to some sort of guidance system, optical thermal, whatever then I see your point.

The term missile then came my interpretation of all the information in the article and that the pilots thought something perhaps a rocket had been launched at their aircraft.

Maybe what they meant by FAA LAX TRACON, is the LAX ASR which would be in the SOCAL TRACON, and also the LAX TRACON ASR data

If you go here to Pg5 paragraph 3 for another incident, you see the NTSB described this data as LAX TRACON ASR data. So maybe this J. Cashill has a little bit of credibility

Wolf
230 posted on 12/13/2005 3:10:33 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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