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To: Diplomat
"Do you have any vested interest one way or the other what this object is or is not?"

I suppose I do. I fly out of LAX regularly, and my aircraft is a much bigger target than AA 612. If I thought there was a threat of being shot at, I'd want to know. I've got a wife and two kids and a lot to live for. Fortunately, I've got enough practical knowledge of this stuff to see right through the BS spread by the likes of Jack Cashill. The man is a conman who makes a living off of other people's fear and ignorance. He is a fraud.

"Do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt this cannot be a missle?"

I would bet everything I own that what you are looking at on the PASSUR display is not a missile. I have absolutely no doubt that it is not a missile.

"Do you deny that according to PASSUR this object appears in front of AAL612 when AAL612 is over 6000ft altitude?"

You still don't understand what you are looking at. PASSUR cannot display anything real that doesn't have a transponder. In other words, if there really was something there, it had to have an IFF transmitter on board that was sending exactly the same codes as AA612. The company that created this system explains exactly what you are seeing here. It is a ghost image. It is not real.

"Do you deny that PASSUR identifies this object as AAL612, but at an altitude of 1500ft, at this point in time?"

As I have stated earlier, PASSUR does not identify anything. It merely reports information it is sent.

"Do you deny that PASSUR has this NEW object actually becoming AAL612 a few seconds after what appears to be a cross-over (or a couple or 3 cross overs) and that the originally tracked AAL612 out of LAX is lost?"

That is because the "new" object actually is a ghost image of AA612. It doesn't exist.

"Do you believe this object seen by PASSUR is a ghost object as defined in your post 46?"

Not even a doubt in my mind.

107 posted on 12/09/2005 8:30:51 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
I agree with you that it is a ghost object. That is why PASSUR identifies it as flight AA612. What disturbed me was that it said 1500ft when it appears. The actual plane is emitting 6200ft. I also completely agree that PASSUR is looking only for objects emitting it's signal. Thus ,it's not finding and identifying missiles.

I assume your italic text was PASSUR explaining their system. It states, These “ghost” aircraft are due to radar reflections from the high-rise buildings around the airport, and possibly from terrain and meteorological conditions farther away from YOUR AIRPORT."

This occurred several miles off coast, over open ocean, on what I suspect was a clear day over the Pacific. The signal being emitted from flight AA612 is being picked up by PASSUR cleanly as it makes it's southward turn and continued ascent out of LAX.

At around 12:51:55, a ghost signal, from AA612 is also picked up by several of the receivers collecting data for PASSUR. A 2nd flight AA612 is identified and recorded. But this flight (the ghost) has one difference from the actual flight, it is recorded at 1500ft altitude.

At 12:51:55, this object is recorded at 1500 ft. At 12:52:53, it jumps to 7200ft. At this moment the actual flight AA612 is recorded at 7000ft. At 12:52:27, PASSUR shows orignal selected flight out of LAX at 7300ft.

The flight out of LAX is 8 to 10 miles off coast and a couple miles up, what terrain feature or meteorological condition at the location of this plane is causing PASSUR to register the ghost image?

I'd wager you that you cannot find another ghost plane registered this far out over the Pacific anywhere on PASSUR that same day or even week or month.

Saying that "the transponder signal from flight AA612 is reflecting off a missile or other physical object at or around 1500ft, at 12:52:23 over the Pacific Ocean on Nov 26, 2005" is a far better explanation than a meteorological condition. Especially since there are eye-witness confirmations of the 2nd object, the PILOTS of flight AA612.

I work in the sonar business. It's much easier to track and identify objects in air than it is in salt water oceans and seas. If the pilots say they saw a missile, or rocket, that same day and time, then there is no doubt in my mind that the ghost record is a reflection of the flight AA612 PUSSAR signal emission off the missle that they saw.

130 posted on 12/09/2005 9:40:32 PM PST by Diplomat
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