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What really happened to AA Flight 612
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09 December 2005 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 12/09/2005 5:08:08 PM PST by concretebob

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To: GOP_1900AD

If you click on it the same AA flt number is attributed to it, weird.


41 posted on 12/09/2005 6:02:13 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Rokke

If you want to swallow what they feed you, go for it. Just don't start that namecalling shit with me.


42 posted on 12/09/2005 6:05:53 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: SeniorMoment
The way I've heard it, people could read by the light of burning ships offshore after the ships had been torpedoed.

Difficult to 'cover up' U-boats in that situation.

43 posted on 12/09/2005 6:07:47 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: cripplecreek
Heres the FBI "bottle rocket"


44 posted on 12/09/2005 6:09:56 PM PST by HighWheeler ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Plato)
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To: BearWash
As a fighter pilot, would you refuse to acknowledge an incoming until it hit you in the butt?

Uh, no. However, it has NOT been established with any credibility that it was a missile. Even if it were, the administration would be utterly foolish to announce it to the general public. Your odds of dying in an airplane crash, though small, are millions of times more likely than you being shot down by a terrorist missile.

45 posted on 12/09/2005 6:11:59 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Pukin, back me up here....

Let me help some of you out here. The "radar" tracks you are seeing are NOT raw radar data. The monitoring system you are using relies on active transponders in each aircraft to generate its radar "picture". In other words, if the aircraft doesn't have a transponder, the radar doesn't see it. The system is called PASSUR. That is an acronym for "Passive Secondary Surveillance Radar". "Passive" means that the "radar" is a receiver only. "Secondary" is a radio signal sent by IFF transponders on board any aircraft flying through a major airport's airspace. The PASSUR "radar" can only read radio signals sent to it. Those signals come from the transponders onboard the aircraft flying through the airspace it monitors. Now here is the key part...missiles do not use IFF transponders. Therefore, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for this system to see a missile. So why would Cashill and WND publish an article like this? Because they are both frauds that make money by pulling the wool over the eyes of people who don't know any better. Cashill is a conman, pure and simple.

If you'd like additional explaination start by reading the "Help" page offered by the monitoring site. You will find the following....

"Aircraft tracking radar, and the software that supports it, while highly reliable, is also complex. Sometimes circumstances can interfere with the signal, causing temporary distortions. For example, you will probably notice that an aircraft flying directly over YOUR AIRPORT may temporarily disappear from the screen and then reappear away from the airport. This is due to the aircraft passing directly over the radar antenna and the temporary loss of signal. You may also notice aircraft icons sometimes “dropping off” and/or suddenly doing unusual things. This is especially true in the area immediately around YOUR AIRPORT, but could also occur away from the airport as well. These “ghost” aircraft are due to radar reflections from the high-rise buildings around the airport, and possibly from terrain and meteorological conditions farther away from YOUR AIRPORT."

46 posted on 12/09/2005 6:14:34 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Welcome to the fray. (sigh)
47 posted on 12/09/2005 6:14:59 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: sam_paine; Cicero

I suggest you go to the 40 mile zoom.

That craft pops up out of nowhere at 12:54:30 at 2000 ft. By about 12:55:43 gained 200ft. At 12:55:56 it utterly disappears.

Makes no or little forward motion. Most of the motion is the icon shifting forward direction (nose pointing) with abrupt changes.

Strange, to say the least.


48 posted on 12/09/2005 6:16:24 PM PST by Shermy
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
"If you want to swallow what they feed you, go for it. Just don't start that namecalling shit with me."

Take about swallowing what they feed you. Jack Cashill is feeding you raw sewage with a rusty spoon. If you eat it up due to ignorance than you are just unfortunate. If you choose to believe it despite knowing the reality of the situation, than you are an idiot. Your choice. You can pick your own name.

49 posted on 12/09/2005 6:18:42 PM PST by Rokke
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To: sam_paine
a weird thing happens at about 12:55

Prior to AA612 passing over the spot of the plane you are talking about, an object pops up near there at 12:50:00 staying at 1200 feet then goes off radar at 12:50:47.

50 posted on 12/09/2005 6:19:02 PM PST by faq
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To: concretebob
This is NOT ATC RADAR. I am not exactly sure what you are looking at. Oh and last time I looked, rockets didn't have
Mode 'C' transponders. This looks a little like a TMC presentation, but I can guarantee this is NOT LAX RADAR!!!
51 posted on 12/09/2005 6:20:10 PM PST by PushinTin
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To: Rokke
You mean, now that I am sufficiently drunk, you want me to be technical?

Not to mention that everything you said is true, what about a proximity detonation from said missile? Am I wrong that SFM's have proximity fuses, to prevent ground detonation after a miss?

So, not only did our phantom missile miss, but it was also a dud? The terrorists were just out getting some target practice? I would be sending the pilot who made this announcement off for a vision test. He probably just caught waves breaking on the beach.
52 posted on 12/09/2005 6:21:32 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Cicero
What is Bush's excuse for letting the FBI continue to lie and obfuscate? Why has he done nothing to clean up the mess in the FBI he inherited from clinton?

ROTFLMAO with melancholy.....

53 posted on 12/09/2005 6:21:45 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Rokke

Maybe when you are mature enough to stick with discussing the facts and leave out the name calling, we'll talk.
I doubt you're gonna get there.


54 posted on 12/09/2005 6:22:22 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
I'll vouch for Rock's maturity.

You ought shut up.
55 posted on 12/09/2005 6:23:02 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: PushinTin
rockets didn't have Mode 'C' transponders.

Your giving fuel to the fire!

56 posted on 12/09/2005 6:23:28 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Rokke
If you'd like additional explaination start by reading the "Help" page offered by the monitoring site. You will find the following....

Don't you find it just a LITTLE BIT ODD that the only double bogie in the whole segment is EXACTLY the one where the pilot REPORTED seeing something?

57 posted on 12/09/2005 6:24:34 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: PushinTin
Hey, welcome to the fantasy land of conspiracy theorists. You are really going to have fun watching this story develop. And don't think for one second that your actual expertise on the subject matter at hand will convince anyone that we aren't witnessing the beginning of the biggest coverup since the Kennedy assassination. You are just a disinformation agent paid by "them" to maintain the coverup.
58 posted on 12/09/2005 6:26:28 PM PST by Rokke
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To: adamsjas

I can show you real RADAR loops that have loads of reflections. Sorry to bust your bubble folks, there is no story here, now please move along...lol


59 posted on 12/09/2005 6:27:44 PM PST by PushinTin
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To: Pukin Dog
I'll vouch for Rock's maturity. You ought shut up.

If you have a winning argument, you don't need the nasty stuff. You ought phrase sentences properly.

60 posted on 12/09/2005 6:28:01 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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