Posted on 12/09/2005 9:58:03 AM PST by RWR8189
Never judge this state by gubentorial results it has voted for a Republican straight since 1964 LBJ.
Yeah but the Allen supporters are in denial that their "coservative" state just elected two socialist RAT governors in a row and INSIST that anyone with an "R" next to his name will automatically win Virigina without lifting a finger. (BTW, Kaine did NOT run as a "conserative" Dem, I looked at his position on the issues and he's MUCH further left than the "moderate" Democrat state reps I have out here in the Chicago area! For starters, they don't believe in abortion on demand)
They're also in denial that "yankee game show host" Mark Warner has consistantly beee more popular in Virgina than Allen, and not just with the "yankees in liberal Northern Virgina" Finally, every freeper who proclaims Allen is the best nominee is insistant that "Hillary" will AUTOMATICALLY be the next RAT nominee, even though alot of RATs are sick of her. They don't even want to entertain how we'd be a southern or midwestern RAT governor with a GOP nominee from a safe Bush state.
Luckily I agree with your point. I do not think we should nominate a Presidential candidate who polls like Al Gore in his home state. Gore had been elected statewide thrice in Tennesee as well. Where did it get him when he went up against another southerner?
I whole-heartily support Allen for re-election to the Senate (and I think he'll pull it off easily unless the RATS get a big name in the race), but he's looking more and more like Goldwater/Dole redux in a national race. Conserative? Yes. Electable? No.
And the opposite is true in other places. WEST Virgina was one of the strongest RAT states in the south. Dukakis won union-controlled West Virgina easily while getting his butt kicked nationwide. But in the 2000s, Gore and Kerry got their ass kicked in West Virgina even though they polled really well in the rest of the country.
We have Rat socialists who govern like Republicans bcause the Republicans have huge majortities in both the house ans senate. Watch what happens to Timmy boy if he tries to do something leftist. LG Bill Bolling will be all over him. The only thing Warner did negative was raise taxes. There is now a move to cut them.
The liberal contortions that Mark Warner will have to do to get the DemocRAT nomination in '08 will make him un-electable in Virginia. He's popular because Virginia voters don't realize how much of a leftist he is. I'll give anyone odds that Allen will beat Warner in Virginia if they are both nominated.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. Moderate Ds will never get nominated by the Ds as Moderate Rs will not get elected by the Rs. Fringe candidates win as that is who makes up the majority of the respective parties' primary voters.
Clark didn't win the Democrat's nomination. McCain didn't win the Rs. The crossover voters that would probably get these people elected generally don't go to the polls for primaries.
Ditto California: Dewey, Ike, Ike, Nixon, ('64 abberation -- LBJ), Nixon, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Reagan, Bush....Then went Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and will likely vote for Satan next time around when she becomes the Dem. nominee in '08.
all these theories presume that the public has a long memory ... haven't noticed that myself.
By '08, Warner will be a distant memory to most voters in VA unless he got the Dem bid, which is a longshot (tho, he really is likely angling for #2 and we all know how having a 'moderate' Southerner helped Kerry).
This also presumes that Kaine manages to keep the VA economy fairly healthy (which, with Republican legislative support in raising taxes, he might do).
That's true for the presidential ambitions of both Warner and Allen.
Allen would have been better off not running for relection to the senate, and running for pres from outside DC. But I think he is trying to keep his seat in R hands.
You're just plain wrong. That Allen is within the margin of error against a "popular" sitting democrat governor of Virginia in a liberal biased poll speaks volumes.
Sorry, that was a joke.
I have been thinking that lately as well. BUT, there is another factor. People FLEEING the northeast and heading south. I did it; I happen to be conservative. However, as you know, liberals are also hypocrites and they are fleeing blue states because of high taxes, awful schools, etc. They are coming to red states. They don't mind making OTHER people pay higher taxes and send their kids to lousy schools. They just don't want to have to do it themselves.
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