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This was not a victory for pacifism. These people were not pacifists. This was a victory for communism. These people were traitors, aiding and abetting the communist victory.

You are of course correct. It wasn't a victory for the pacifists...but don't tell them. I don't think Dean is a communist (yet) because he isn't sure what the word means. I think many idiots start out as useful and idealistic pacifists and get sucked into the commie world view.

I agree that the dem's are leaning awfully far to the left but I think (as I said) the guys at the helm of the party are loooonies (not that purebred commies aren't).

Yes. I agree with you. Most American dim-witted pacifists are not communists. Most don't understand the meaning of the word, as you say. And you agreed with me that the victory in Vietnam was for communism, not for pacifism. You only have to consider how many died after the war ended to realize that.

It's a complicated subject. When you have a huge chunk of the American electorate who are willing to allow the enemy to win, and even aid and abet the enemy, without realizing it, it's hard to define who they are and what they are doing. Are many simply idiots? Of course. Are many others actual traitors? Absolutely.

There's a whole specture of stupid-evil leftists in America, and we always have to be careful who we are talking about and in what context.