Posted on 12/09/2005 3:55:11 AM PST by mlc9852
Broward County on Thursday narrowed its choices for high school Biology I textbooks to two finalists, both of which have been under scrutiny by Christian conservatives who want to change the way students learn about the origin of life.
Both have edited passages about evolution theory during the past few years after receiving complaints from the Discovery Institute. The think tank sponsors research on intelligent design, which argues life is so complicated, it must have been fashioned by a higher being. One of the books also has added a short section on creationism.
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Well, I just dont look at it like that...my faith in God, is enough, I dont need any proofs for myself, or to show to others...I just dont believe, that God expects us to 'prove' Him...after all, with a concrete proof, of His existence, of what use is pure faith?
Of course they were. Should they be something else? Evolution includes adaptation such as shown by the finches, in fact it relies on them. Evolution is all about cumulative changes. Contrary to what many creationists believe evolution requires large changes such as a cat giving birth to a dog. This is not true. This version of the ToE and evolution was created by creationists to make evolution easier to refute. Unfortunately, for the creationists at least, that story has no resemblance to any interpretation of the ToE derived at any point from Darwin's time to the current synthesis.
Darwin started out with small cumulative changes, Punctuated equilibrium uses small cumulative changes, selection uses small cumulative changes, drift uses small cumulative changes, even the information we are getting from DNA indicates cumulative changes. Adaptation *is* those small cumulative changes.
Extremely unlikely.
Several of the scientists involved publically renounced evolution as a result.
Source?
"It may not be relevant to your challenge, but there is an example of a test of the supernatural in scripture. It seems easy enough that it could be repeated under controlled conditions"
What would be the conditions....first off wouldn't you need to speaking directly with an entity that called itself
God?
Remember the story, Gideon was threshing and the Angel of the Lord appeared before him stating "The Lord is with thee, thou mighty man of valor"
So Gideon had already spoken directly with an angel.
So to set up the experiment, you already would have had some type of direct communication with God, an occurence where faith has been validated in one's inner man by experience. Next, valid skepticism, will God do what he says and does he have the power to perform the task you ask of him. Next, some type of humility(Gideon says to God"Don't be angry with me please but could you make the dew "do such and such...above and beyond the normal physics of Dew behaviour) Finally, personal integrity...to follow thru where the REASONing(Luther's dreaded enemy...Reason) process has taken you, ie God made the dew do thus so Gideon had to admit to himself that God really was calling him to be Israel's new champion.
Many Christians actually have laid "fleeces"and have seen God's grace come thru(though they may not have actually seen an angel). One must be cautious if one tries this experiment for one has to be ready to follow thru on any course of action God may require of you...even if it is only to pick up one's cross!
What if God went bowling the night of the test and didn't look at his messages until well after the test was concluded? You would end up with a false negative.
There is a silt layer dating to 7500 BC found in core sample taken from 10 or so disparate areas of the world...it could be evidence of an ancient flood or a volcanic super eruption...I have heard both theories!
Please explain.
...they're all ya got.
Not quite. Every endogenous retrovirus (ERV) found in both people and gorillas is also found in chimps. Every ERV found in both gorillas and chimps is also found in people.
So either chimps and people share a common ancestor, which in turn shares an ancestor with gorillas, or some hypothetical designer made it look that way.
Yes. The universe was started by the Big Bang, which incidentally was not an explosion, before there was any space, time or 'laws of nature', or a need for causation. All else, including the origin of our galaxy, solar system, planet and life is the result of the 'laws of nature' that accompanied the start of the universe.
A statement that brazen just begs for cites to the primary literature. So, where are the cites?
7500 B.C. is twice as old as biblical scholars place the flood. I know of no such ubiquitous silt layer in this part of the world; there are volcanic layers in the Northwest and Plateau, but the big one is the Mazama ash something like 6700 years ago (from when Crater Lake was formed by a mountain blowing off its top). Quite different from a flood. (Actually there was a large-scale flood event in the Montana-Washington area at the end of the glaciers, as they melted. It is pretty well understood in time and dimensions, and is also way too early.)
How about a migration down the Pacific Coast from Alaska to the tip of South America, tracked by mutations in Haplogroup A, over a period of 11,000 years? By finding and testing skeletons along this route for mtDNA, scientists have been able to track the route of the migration via new mutations. This is all pretty new, but does not allow time for complete extinction of people in this area followed by replacement populations from the eastern Mediterranean. Nor would there be a continuity in mtDNA.
There is simply not much evidence for a global flood.
[Enjoyed the conversations, now out for the night.]
Science has been doing quite well with the methodologies used currently. The onus of producing new methodologies and examples of their use is on those trying to replace the current methodologies.
The old 'is it real beef or just filler' burger flipper methodology.
I just watched the darn thing *not move* for over 20 minutes and all I got from it was a headache.
Apparently, Fester does recognize a difference between the two.
50 years * 1 generation every other day is approx. 50 * 200 = 10,000. Ten thousand generataions of people is what, 200,000 years?
I'd like to see where you get this from.
. They subjected them to everything in the world known to cause mutations and then recombined the mutants every possible way.
I'd also like to see where you get this from. Every possible combination?! Do you have any idea how large that number is?!
. Several of the scientists involved publically renounced evolution as a result.
Names, dates, citations, you know the drill.
Apparently, Fester does not recognize a difference between the two.
It's not a case of simple disagreement. The information the IDists are disseminating about evolution is demonstrably wrong. Anyone that accepts their version of evolution is obviously still ignorant of the correct version and the issue at hand.
Should be easy to determine. Volcanic rock is fairly distinctive. I have a question about the flood leaving a silt layer: what would it look like if you consider the turbulence of the flood waters?
It really jumps when I'm there. I pity you.
Good information. I knew Darwin Central kept you around for a reason.
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