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To: narby
You know, science is a great tool, but it's hardly a god (small or large G, take your pick). Even though these are just keyboards clicking away, I imagine I hear a sonorous awe in your i-voice when the word "science" is spoken. And I am well-compensated by many things scientific and value it highly--I also know that it's no answer to everything and confers no Holy Orders from the House of Reason.

Just a few days ago a scientist in South Korea got slapped for his overreaching and possible fraud concerning embryo and stem cell research. Human beings, even scientists, are subject to human failings.

There's greed and vanity and deceit in science, because it is a human enterprise. All this Truth and Reason and Knowledge is great, but there's the graft at the universities (look at tuition) and exaggeration and posturing...Life.

The reason I speak sharply about libertarians is that I still have my "Taxation is Theft" button in my junk drawer. I still think taxation is theft, it's just that I've learned that when you're dealing with people....you have to deal--the libertarian mindset is that all they have to say is "principal" and "reason" and that's all she wrote. It is, if you're willing to lose. And I left libertarianism behind very quickly, and all my Ayn Rand rants, when I figured out that they bring a "loser gene" to the party.

Religious conservatives, OTOH, have brought winning to the party. The exact time the religious conservatives joined forces with the GOP is when the GOP started winning.

That's why the left would love to do anything it could to chip away at the alliance.

Are they here, in FR, sowing discord?

42 posted on 12/09/2005 8:02:47 AM PST by Mamzelle (The best offense-- is the unbeatable defense...Darrell Royal)
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44 posted on 12/09/2005 8:14:09 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Mamzelle
You know, science is a great tool, but it's hardly a god (small or large G, take your pick). Even though these are just keyboards clicking away, I imagine I hear a sonorous awe in your i-voice when the word "science" is spoken.

Yes, is is your imagination. Read the original article. Science and religion are two different worlds. Science does not believe in deities, even though many scientists are Christian. Yes, many people are enamored by the subject of science. But many people are enamored by the subject of horses. So?

There's greed and vanity and deceit in science, because it is a human enterprise.

Just as there is greed, vanity and deceit in organized religion. Tammy Fae Baker, and Oral Roberts strike me as a complete frauds. And Jim Jones certainly was. Humans operate these religious organizations too, and you probably will disagree here, but I think mere humans wrote the Bible too. For a fact humans compiled "The Bible" centuries after the incidents the books chronicle, and they left out many parts such as the Gospel according to Mary. You may believe that this was "inspired by God". But I think the book collectors who assembled the King James Bible just missed that one.

Religious conservatives, OTOH, have brought winning to the party. The exact time the religious conservatives joined forces with the GOP is when the GOP started winning.

And religious conservatives can bring losing to the party. Did you not notice that the entire Dover school board lost their elections, after they pulled the ID stunt?

I, for one, will leave this party if those religious conservatives insist on attempting to institute religious dogma into public schools labeled as "fact". Simply because it is not fact, and I refuse to tolerate such illegitimacy.

If religious conservatives want to attack abortion, fine. If they want to promote prayer in schools, fine, as long as there is no requirement for participation. If they want to have "in God we trust" on coins, fine. Even the word "Christmas" I approve, while I disapprove the ACLU removing crosses from city seals.

But evolution is fact, and many Christians believe that it is fact. And a minority (see the above poll) of troglodytes that have idiotic interpretations of the Bible should not be the tail to wag this dog.

That's why the left would love to do anything it could to chip away at the alliance.

Which is exactly why PatrickHenry and many of us have been fighting this ID thing. It will disintegrate the party, and it needs to be shut down now, by us, and not because we've lost votes. We need to keep our eye on the ball and promote low taxes, low regulation, and a strong United States. Bogus "science" is not what this party should be doing.

56 posted on 12/09/2005 10:31:16 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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