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God, Science [evolution], and the Kooky Kansans Who Love them Both
Lawrence.com ^ | 12/05/2005 | Sarah Smarsh

Posted on 12/08/2005 7:57:08 PM PST by curiosity

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To: tallhappy

What's to explain? Virtually everything he said there is some sort of generalized rant about the right, and yet when he starts talking about using evolution for political gain, you take it to be him revealing some sort of secret left-wing plan. It seems far more likely that it was a continuation of his rant against the right, that he was complaining that some element of the right was attempting use the issue for political gain. But, of course, there's no context to that phrase, so it's impossible to know for sure - imputing one or the other to him is simply hearing what you want to hear, in the absence of further information. Says more about the listener than the speaker, really.


61 posted on 12/09/2005 10:50:54 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

OK, you agree with me, thanks.


62 posted on 12/09/2005 10:52:22 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

You should have stuck with "I don't understand" - it was your most cogent comment thus far.


63 posted on 12/09/2005 10:54:25 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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So are you saying he or the left don't want to use evolution for socio-political gain?
64 posted on 12/09/2005 10:56:43 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: curiosity
"The two are separate in mission and approach by a definite, wide gulf," Krishtalka tells us. "They should not be mixed. Religion should not practice science, and science should not practice religion."

IOW, science must be atheistic or it ain't science.

65 posted on 12/09/2005 10:57:23 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: tallhappy

I'm saying that that conclusion does not follow from the material here.


66 posted on 12/09/2005 10:58:51 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Senator, it is a yes or no question.

Or you could say you don't know.

67 posted on 12/09/2005 11:00:57 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

Giving up on post 41, then? Wise move.


68 posted on 12/09/2005 11:03:18 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: narby
re: And religious conservatives can bring losing to the party. Did you not notice that the entire Dover school board lost their elections, after they pulled the ID stunt?)))

I noticed the evos rejoicing over putting Dems in office.

Then I noticed that none of these evos have much going on in FR other than bashing the religious right, with evo being the cassus beli right now.

I notice that they work in coordinated ways that freepmail and fr-surfing would not support. They do work in ways that being connected by IM would support.

I think libertarians, and those conservatives who don't like "social conservatives"--can be easily used by leftists by the leftists playing on the distaste for religious conservatives.

I don't see why it wouldn't happen here. There are a lot of Dems with money and time on their hands.

And they don't like religious conservatives, either.

69 posted on 12/09/2005 11:09:59 AM PST by Mamzelle (The best offense-- is the unbeatable defense...Darrell K. Royal)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
No. I think that is his interest in evolution.

Why is it so hard for you to answer a simple and straightforward question?

Again, are you saying he or the left don't want to use evolution for socio-political gain?

70 posted on 12/09/2005 11:11:00 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

I don't know what he meant at the time by talking about evolution as a political issue, whether right or left. Neither, I suspect, do you, but if it makes you happy to do this sort of tapdance to get away from that, be my guest.


71 posted on 12/09/2005 11:13:29 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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72 posted on 12/09/2005 11:13:41 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

OK. Forget this guy for now, in general, do you think the left want to use evolution for socio-political gain?


73 posted on 12/09/2005 11:16:42 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

In general, I think there are elements of both right and left that seek to exploit the issue for political gain.


74 posted on 12/09/2005 11:18:04 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow
In general, I think there are elements of both right and left that seek to exploit the issue for political gain.

I agree.

So, back to this KU guy. He is clearly a hard leftist in the Cindy Sheehan, Howard Dean, liberal dem lefty mold. Do you think his reasons are not for socio-politcal gain or purpose?

75 posted on 12/09/2005 11:20:15 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

If you have evidence of same, I'm always happy to have a look. But this article, on its own, isn't it.


76 posted on 12/09/2005 11:24:17 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
Evolution is not compatible with either the Bible or the Christian God.

Evolution is not compatible with a literal interpretation of Genesis. Many Christians do not interpret Genesis literally and thus do not encounter contradiction; you can claim that they're not real Christians, but they would strongly disagree.

If evolution could be proven (and it can't and won't)

It can and has been proven to the same degree as the theory (yes, theory) of gravity.

it would and should be devastating to any religion that attempted to explain the presence of the universe differently.

Correct. Just as Galileo's discoveries were devastating to Biblically-inspired geocentrism.

77 posted on 12/09/2005 11:30:20 AM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
On this issue, there are only commie troll disruptors, and Right-Thinking True ConservativesTM. Now we know which camp you're in.

So don't keep me in suspense. Which camp am I in?

78 posted on 12/09/2005 11:42:14 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
If you have evidence of same, I'm always happy to have a look. But this article, on its own, isn't it.

That's not an answer. Yes, no or I don;t know or maybe etc... Those are answers.

79 posted on 12/09/2005 11:48:15 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Wow. An all powerful God, whoops, all powerful except that He cannot create evolution.

Pretty ballsy of you to have determined what God is and is not capable of.


80 posted on 12/09/2005 12:07:34 PM PST by dmz
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