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Katie 'Oakley'? Couric Suggests Air Marshals Shoot at Specific Body Parts (Clueless Katie Alert!)
NewsBusters.com ^ | December 8, 2005 | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 12/08/2005 8:08:10 AM PST by skyman

Has Katie Couric watched too many westerns? You know, the kind where the sheriff shoots the gun out of the bad guy's hand?

You'd think so, given the repeated questions she posed to a former air marshal in the wake of yesterday's shooting of a frantic passenger claiming to have a bomb aboard an American Airlines flight .

Katie's guest was former air marshal Tony Kuklinski, who stated that "by all accounts I've seen, what [the air marshals] did was necessary."

Katie wasn't so sure:

"Do they always shoot to kill, Tony? In other words, I guess the average person hearing this [on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, Katie?] might think: isn't there a way where they could have shot this person and not killed him? Wounded him or incapacitated him in some way without killing him?"

As Kuklinksi patiently and professionally explained:

"law enforcement officials aren't trained to shoot to kill; they're trained to shoot to prevent the action from taking place. We're not trained to precision-shoot in the knee or in the arm or in the finger to prevent something from taking place. Your accuracy goes down, the potential for a stray bullet or a missed shot hitting a bystander goes up tremendously."

That wasn't enough to satisfy Katie:

"I know that last July, London police shot and killed a Brazilian electrician because they'd mistaken him for a terror suspect. It raises the question: should there be further training? Do you think that air marshals should be taught to shoot at a specific location on a body?"

One sensed Kuklinski's rising frustration. Yet he remained patient and polite, and gave what is really the key answer:

"Federal air marshals have one of the best training programs anywhere in the country. [Precision shooting creates] too much potential for secondary casualties. There's no time to sit there and take precision aim. [Attempting a more precise shot] - to shoot him in the shoulder, shoot him in the leg - it may not prevent the crime from being committed.

It makes you wonder: what questions do you think Katie might pose if an air marshal, following her recommendations, shot a terrorist in the hand, who as a result was capable of detonating his bomb that in turn brought down a jumbo jet filled with passengers?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; airmarshals; alpizar; armedmarshals; bang; banglist; couric; flight924; nbcnews
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1 posted on 12/08/2005 8:08:11 AM PST by skyman
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To: skyman
Shoot to stop.

The fatality was incidental to the goal of terminating the threat.

2 posted on 12/08/2005 8:10:14 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: skyman
They should have shot the tip of his pinky, or they should have shot the strap of his backpack out of his hand, or they should have deliberately grazed his scalp with a bullet.

Actually, no. The air marshal should have thrown a handful of loose change in the air and fired a round through every coin before they hit the ground, just to show the lunatic he meant business.

3 posted on 12/08/2005 8:11:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: skyman

I guess this would be the same Katie Couric that CBS wants to lure away from NBC to replace the estimable Dan (the documents are real) Rather? That's gonna go well [rolling eyes].


4 posted on 12/08/2005 8:14:10 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: skyman

Is she kidding? Like a man couldn't still activate a bomb with a broken leg, etc. If she or anyone she gave a damn about had their life haning in the balance while some air marshal played chicken with a terrorist, would she feel the same?


5 posted on 12/08/2005 8:14:31 AM PST by SMARTY
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To: wideawake
"Very astute idea!
How many coins do you think would suffice to be a good deterrent?
And what do you think of the marshals wearing a blindfold too?"

6 posted on 12/08/2005 8:17:22 AM PST by jla
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To: skyman
Center of mass. Dead people don't shoot back, or blow up aircraft. I had the same stupid conversation with my lovely wife last night. Bless her cotton socks, she is a saint of a woman, but she just doesn't understand the 1st rule of weapons safety.
7 posted on 12/08/2005 8:17:37 AM PST by NYleatherneck
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To: skyman

Hasn't she ever seen the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail?

Doesn't she know that bad guys will just keep begging for more 'flesh' wounds?


8 posted on 12/08/2005 8:19:59 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: skyman
Every combat veteran knows someone who was shot in the head, heart/lungs, etc, who survived. I even knew of a guy who was shot thru his eye into his brain and was joking about it on the air evac out. Conversely, we also know of men who have DIED by a shot to the arm or leg. Hit a major artery and you can bleed to death in a minute or two.

In the HBO Movie "Band of Brothers", completely based on actual events, Corporal Hoobler, one of E Company's best shots, shot dead a German officer riding away on horseback, and acquired his fine Walther service pistol. After showing it off to his buddies, he put it in his pants pocket, and it went off. Despite a well trained combat medic there immediately, he died in two minutes, as his femoral artery was cut.

Couric is a fool, but the Air Marshal could have explained this. Went you shoot someone, you're ALWAYS shooting with intent to kill.
9 posted on 12/08/2005 8:22:45 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: NYleatherneck
Center of mass. Dead people don't shoot back, or blow up aircraft. best shot is actually a spine shot above the shoulders. any other shot, including heart or brain leaves posibility for a final reaction, ie squeezing the trigger of firearm or detonator. severing spinal collumn will cause prep to immediately go limp. no chance of any reaction.
10 posted on 12/08/2005 8:22:48 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: skyman

God Almighty, Katie Couric is STUPID! Perky, but incredibly stupid. How did this brainless, vapid, intellectually and morally bankrupt cheerleader get a job that pays her millions to proclaim her idiocy on TV?


11 posted on 12/08/2005 8:23:08 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: skyman
rumor is see-bs is offering her 20mil/yr
is she worth it?
if my math is correct, that's about $38 a minute (24hr day)
i might pay $38 for a minute with her.
12 posted on 12/08/2005 8:23:10 AM PST by cd jones (Liberals: spreading misery, calling it equality)
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er... if someone has a bomb, shooting them in the foot won't be very effective, Katie.

Wow, can't wait for her to take over the CBS evening news. Talk about a seamless transition from Dan Rather!


13 posted on 12/08/2005 8:24:54 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: skyman
"Do they always shoot to kill, Tony? In other words, I guess the average person hearing this [on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, Katie?] might think: isn't there a way where they could have shot this person and not killed him? Wounded him or incapacitated him in some way without killing him?"

I propose that perky Katy report from the Netanya shopping mall in Israel.

14 posted on 12/08/2005 8:24:54 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: NYleatherneck
Center of mass. Dead people don't shoot back, or blow up aircraft.

I believe the idea with potential suicide bombers is to take shots at the center of mass, and then if you can, take a few head shots. From as close as possible. It is kinda gruesome, but they need to take him OUT before he (wounded as he might be) can push the button to detonate.

15 posted on 12/08/2005 8:25:33 AM PST by Paradox (Time to sharpen ole Occam's Razor.)
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To: skyman

Will someone put a cork in her mouth before everyone knows how stupid her comments really are. What a moron.


16 posted on 12/08/2005 8:31:05 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: skyman

If only this man had listened to TOM CRUISE and taken those multi vitamins then this wouldn't even be talked about.

Maybe they should have shot him with multi vitamins instead. ;)


17 posted on 12/08/2005 8:34:34 AM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Katie is twice the newsman Dan ever was.







2x0=0


18 posted on 12/08/2005 8:39:37 AM PST by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: NYleatherneck
Center of mass.

Right answer. He was perceived as a deadly threat. At that point, he must be killed or you may get yourself and your passengers killed. The person that bears responsibility for this tragedy is his wife. The dead man was bipolar and off his meds. He should not have been on that plane and it is his wife's fault. A close member of my family has the same problem. I would not hesitate to go on a plane with her as she takes her meds. I would not consider even for an instant of taking her on a plane if she was not taking her meds. The air Marshal did not kill this man, his wife's stupidity killed the man.

19 posted on 12/08/2005 8:42:36 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud off it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: skyman

Is this the same Kookie Couric who used to be a TeeVee personality back in the 20th century? It must be her daughter.


20 posted on 12/08/2005 8:44:38 AM PST by Republicus2001
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