Posted on 12/08/2005 6:54:56 AM PST by jackbenimble
Meanwhile, Congress has credible facts from credible sources that are entirely different from yours.
Faced with this dilemma, your only explanation is that these Congressmen creating legislation, the Prez creating policy, or a local Police Chief not wanting enforce immigration law are all hell bent on destroying the Nation.
And it not just one issue. The same kooky theories pop up whether the subject totalization, immigration reform, foreign aid policies, Trade policies, etc, etc.
You need to get out and around more.
You and Bush both need to be deported and your citizenship revoked if you are one.
When I see Bush issue an executive order to cease all welfare style benefits to illegals thus saving taxpayers tens of billions then I'll know he's serious. If they aren't receiving the welfare $ they'll slowly deport themselves and until then everything else is just window dressing for a gullible public.
Sheesh. Didn't read that way.
Me along with about 75% of the American people and about 90% of Republicans. I suppose we are all blind and none of us get around.
What specific fact of mine are you saying is not credible? In this thread I have posted several facts. Are you disputing that millions of Mexican are working here illegally? That millions of illegal Mexicans have been given amnesty over the last 20 years? That not one of the other 20 countries with which we have totalization agreements have a million illegal workers in America? That President Bush was against all but a meager expansion of the Border Patrol? That he worked to get the REAL ID provisions stripped out of the 911 Security and Intelligence Bill? That Robert Byrd pushed through most of the recent expansion of the Border Patrol and Detention Beds? I have cited lots of facts and I believe they are for the most part fairly reliable.
In contrast, almost every one of your posts in this thread has been ridiculous drivel.
More facts without cedibility from sources without credibility.
I would like to see Bush enforce employer sanctions more, train more BP agents, continue constructing vehicle barriers ans fences where possible, and then start talking about a TEMPORARY guestworker program. As long as it is truly temporary, and enforced, I will support it. But God forbid they push through a McKennedy style amnesty plan, the GOP will put themselves out of power for a long time to come.
Loony.
Anybody supporting this idea needs to be driven from office, either by election or impeachment. My support for Bush is getting thinner every day. He is simply wrong and this issue and refuses to listen.
you are, indeed, a quisling.
Here is a good compilation of poll results: NumbersUSA Public Opinion. My numbers are in the ballpark.
I'm sure you consider NumbersUSA an "unreliable source" but keep in mind they did not conduct these polls; they just published links to them.
I'd be very curious to see a Free Republic Poll on how freepers would feel about giving illegal aliens benefits in our Social Security System based on their fraudulent use of a social security number. I feel fairly confident that the results would be consistent with the numbers I cited in my previous post.
Unless you care to post something that shows anything resembling strong support for giving Social Security Benefits to illegals based on payments they made while illegal and making fraudulent use of a social security number, I don't see much point in continuing this discussion.
I win, you lose.
You rely on uncredible sources such as Numbers USA for your uncredible facts.
jackbenible said: I'd be very curious to see a Free Republic Poll on how freepers would feel about giving illegal aliens benefits in our Social Security System based on their fraudulent use of a social security number. I feel fairly confident that the results would be consistent with the numbers I cited in my previous post.
Here ya go!
Polls Free Republic
Do you approve of the plan to let some of the eight million illegal aliens in the United States move toward legal status without penalty -- but with social security benefits?
No 85.9% 1,562
Yes 8.7% 159
Undecided 5.4% 98
100.0% 1,819
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The Constitution says in Article I, Section 8, "The Congress shall have the power.... To provide for the calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and Repel Invasions;..." Since we are being invaded and the laws of the Union are being violated should the Militia be called up and placed on the borders to protect the laws and the American people?
Yes 83.8% 5,670
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Do you approve of the president's guest worker plan?
Definitely not. A guest worker program will not work. 42.3% 1,573
Yes, but illegal aliens must go home first and apply for entry. 27.8% 1,035
Maybe, but it needs a lot of work. 17.1% 636
Yes, will be fine as is or with minor changes. 7.9% 295
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Please indicate whether or not you support or oppose open borders and illegal immigration.
I OPPOSE open borders and illegal immigration. 90.0% 5,121
I SUPPORT open borders and illegal immigration. 3.3% 188
Undecided/Pass. 2.5% 143
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http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll
No, RINO and quisling are obloquy alike.
RINO's at least are largely transparent. Illegal alien quislings, however, sneak around pretending to be conservative, mouthing conservative arguments, but whose motivations ultimately are revealed as nothing more than wanting to profit from cheap labor, the country be damned.
If you haven't already gotten them, expect posters to tell you that legalizing these people will help bolster SS because they will now be paying taxes. All the while forgetting that these same low-wage, unskilled workers will some day be eligible for SS.
There was a time when I would have argued with you - no longer. I suspect you're right.
bumperooo
I haven't seen one of those yet on this thread but I have seen that foolish idea before. They also forget that Social Security has a built in socialist wealth transfer mechanism. It is a very bad deal for high wage earners who, at best, get their money returned to them at a very low rate of return. It is a very good deal for low wage earners (the category where most illegals would fall) because they eventually withdraw substantially more benefits then they every paid in.
Wake up, America!
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