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To: Calif Conservative
Roberts wasn't hanging his argument on a disproportionate portion of the employment being government. So you miss the mark, and misrepresent him there. Manufacturing is the issue:

There were only 194,000 new jobs in the private sector. Of those, 37,000 are in construction and only 11,000 are in manufacturing. The bulk of the new jobs – 144,000 – are in domestic services.

None of your points deals with any of that.

104 posted on 12/12/2005 3:40:17 PM PST by Paul Ross (My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple...It is this, 'We win and they lose.')
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To: Paul Ross

** There were only 194,000 new jobs in the private sector. Of those, 37,000 are in construction and only 11,000 are in manufacturing. The bulk of the new jobs – 144,000 – are in domestic services. None of your points deals with any of that.**

Very weak, again. Yes, I did deal with that. Specifically, Roberts stated:

* There were only 194,000 new jobs in the private sector.*

"Only" 194k private sector jobs. That opens the door for a refutation that compares the gains to the only other part of the non-farm payrolls pie that is left, which is public sector jobs, i.e. government.

And that is why a comparison between private sector employment vs. public sector employment is apt. Roberts brought it up himself when he talked about "ONLY" a certain number of private sector jobs. Roberts' wording implies that this is rate of gain in new private sector jobs in somehow a weakness in the report.

So I did not misrepresent him, because Roberts uses the term "only", which suggests a shortfall or a lack in this context. I proved that private sector job gains are not lagging, but are actually growing at a rapid rate compared with government jobs.

Or are you falling back on "that depends on what the meaning of 'only' ... is." ?


106 posted on 12/12/2005 3:52:06 PM PST by Calif Conservative (RWR and GWB backer)
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To: Paul Ross

Oh, and one more thing. You posted this:

* There were only 194,000 new jobs in the private sector. Of those, 37,000 are in construction and only 11,000 are in manufacturing. The bulk of the new jobs – 144,000 – are in domestic services.*

But you conveniently left this part out, which preceded the private sector comments from Roberts. Here is the full passage:

* Twenty-one thousand of those jobs were government positions supported by taxpayers. There were only 194,000 new jobs in the private sector. Of those, 37,000 are in construction and only 11,000 are in manufacturing. The bulk of the new jobs – 144,000 – are in domestic services.*

See? Roberts brought up the government jobs. So a comparison of government vs. private job growth is apt and on-topic.


107 posted on 12/12/2005 3:56:57 PM PST by Calif Conservative (RWR and GWB backer)
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