Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: snarks_when_bored
As for the 'algorithm at the beginning', one can't rule it out, but one also can't rule out that there was no algorithm but rather what we see is the unfolding of a cascade of causation from a rather simple beginning.

In a strict mathematical sense, there is no distinction here. Even in less strict terms, an 'algorithm' is nothing more than the name for a high-order representation of information, and therefore all information is an algorithm (and everything is information, mathematically). In this sense, there is nothing special about 'algorithms', at the "beginning" or elsewhere; if something exists at all it must be an algorithm.

The idea that data, information, patterns, computers, and algorithms are fundamentally different concepts is an intuitive but perniciously incorrect bit of common sense. It is one of the reasons information theory is so difficult to grok -- its fundamental theorems violate what most people "know".

610 posted on 12/08/2005 7:19:19 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 602 | View Replies ]


To: tortoise
I was emphasizing the possibility that what we see is a self-unfolding process (an algorithm in process of writing itself, as it were), wishing to set that over against the idea that there was a pre-existing program that was then 'run'. I'm not sure that's a distinction without a difference (although it could be).

In fact, I tend to the view that all information is embodied information, that there was never, is not now nor will there ever be any information that is not physically carried or mediated. This is what I call the Roseanne Roseanna Danna theory of reality: "There's always something...if it's not one thing, it's another."

613 posted on 12/08/2005 7:29:23 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 610 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson